Here is a reply from MHFM after I wrote to them that I still support the sspx . Wondering if anyone has suggestions on how to reply, I have already applied but would like to hear what others think.

 
You don't know what you are talking about. Our position on receiving sacraments is and has been correct. The principle that one may receive sacraments from undeclared heretics is true, but individual circuмstances, depending upon what priests and groups do, dictate whether one should go. You don't seem to understand the distinction. The SSPX is now so aggressive in its attacks on the true faith that they should generally be avoided even when one does not support them, but you don't just go there for the sacraments, you support them. You aren't even convinced that your SSPX priest, who obstinately accepts Bergoglio as a Catholic, is a heretic. You are totally blind and you don't have the faith. He's definitely a heretic for obstinately considering Bergoglio to be part of the Church and for holding, as all SSPX priests do, that souls can be saved in false religions without the Catholic faith. That is a heresy, in case you didn't know. You are not a real Catholic, but a heretic and without any doubt on the road to Hell. You are a disgrace, and an enemy of true Catholics, as you help fund a demonic organization that attacks the true Church. Yes, you are complicit in their attacks on the true Church. The SSPX is totally heretical in numerous ways. They print that souls can be saved in Judaism and Buddhism, and you act as if their heresy is not clear. You are simply dishonest. You attack true Catholics by funding a demonic and publicly heretical and schismatic organization which aggressively attacks the true Church and lies about true Catholics. You will line up with them on Judgment Day with the damned, unless you convert.?

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Here is a reply from MHFM after I wrote to them that I still support the sspx . Wondering if anyone has suggestions on how to reply, I have already applied but would like to hear what others think.

 
You don't know what you are talking about. Our position on receiving sacraments is and has been correct. The principle that one may receive sacraments from undeclared heretics is true, but individual circuмstances, depending upon what priests and groups do, dictate whether one should go. You don't seem to understand the distinction. The SSPX is now so aggressive in its attacks on the true faith that they should generally be avoided even when one does not support them, but you don't just go there for the sacraments, you support them. You aren't even convinced that your SSPX priest, who obstinately accepts Bergoglio as a Catholic, is a heretic. You are totally blind and you don't have the faith. He's definitely a heretic for obstinately considering Bergoglio to be part of the Church and for holding, as all SSPX priests do, that souls can be saved in false religions without the Catholic faith. That is a heresy, in case you didn't know. You are not a real Catholic, but a heretic and without any doubt on the road to Hell. You are a disgrace, and an enemy of true Catholics, as you help fund a demonic organization that attacks the true Church. Yes, you are complicit in their attacks on the true Church. The SSPX is totally heretical in numerous ways. They print that souls can be saved in Judaism and Buddhism, and you act as if their heresy is not clear. You are simply dishonest. You attack true Catholics by funding a demonic and publicly heretical and schismatic organization which aggressively attacks the true Church and lies about true Catholics. You will line up with them on Judgment Day with the damned, unless you convert.?

They have some sensible points in there.  I understand that some may be offended by them being so abrasive and so adamantly sede.  But that aside, I don't see a whole lot wrong with what they say here.  In fact, this post makes them look more reasonable than I had previously came to believe they are.

I should have also posted what i had written before , let me know your thoughts


The Dimonds


the fact that you think it's not a mortal sin to fund the SSPX shows that you are in a tremendous fog. Not only do they believe and teach that souls can be saved in false religions (it's contained in their books), but they accept the Vatican II antipopes and attack the true position. (They also accept NFP). You are definitely in mortal sin. Not only is it a mortal sin to give them money, but you shouldn't even attend their church. You are in fact funding attacks on the true Church, for they were the publishers of the lie-filled, heretical book exposed in this video. The fact that you claim to agree with us theologically and still give them money is atrocious, and you are, we must inform you, certainly on the road to Hell.?




me


I don't believe it's so cut and dry.
were you in a fog or "certainly on the road to Hell " when you promoted the idea of receiving  the sacraments from a Byzantine rite “Catholic Church” that was in communion with Vatican II and its anti popes? when you promoted the idea of skipping the mass until it was time for communion?

I don't claim to have all the answers during this unprecedented crisis.  When I go to celebrate what I believe to be a traditional catholic mass at my sspx church  I'm not in communion with bishop Fellay or the people that wrote that book. I have to make sure that my priest is not what I consider to be a heretic. My priest speaks against the pope publicly at his sermon, he teaches orthodoxy that there is no salvation outside the catholic church, downstairs he stated his belief on  baptism of desire and implicit baptism of desire, he first told me it was a sin to be in disagreement.. After I gave him some info he recanted. He has since removed Borgolio's picture in the basement. Their errors on baptism of desire and nfp are based on what true popes have declared....all be it they misinterpret the pope's messages...I don't consider that enough to be declared a heretic.

Whether it is a sin  that I receive communion from such a priest I will use your arguement from your website.




ST. THOMAS DEFINITELY TEACHES THAT ONE MAY RECEIVE COMMUNION FROM, AND HEAR THE MASS OF, AN UNDECLARED HERETIC – THIS DESTROYS THE POSITION OF THE RADICAL SCHISMATICS

The Dimonds are nuts, but they get some things right--maybe more things than not--but they're so nutty on other things that that makes them nuts.  Some things that they teach as dogma, have not been dogmatically proclaimed by the Church.  This mumbo-jumbo double-talk is a conciliarist invention--previously when things were dogmatically proclaimed, there was no doubt.  Thus, though I agree with their position with regard to BOD, I do not believe that it is dogma.  Though I consider myself sede (probably some variation such as Ladislaus has described), I do not believe that it is dogma (nor could even conceivably be so right now).

So though I consider reading a lot of their material a learning experience (a good one--not being sarcastic), I nevertheless consider them lay nuts (holed up in a trailer in Arkansas I have previously been told) masquerading as religious, who schismatically denounce as heretical all but a handful of priest who have inhabited this earth over the past half-century or so.

My suggestion with the Dimonds is if you're going to dabble with them at all, simply read--skeptically and follow-up for comparing the info you find elsewhere--and do not engage.  They may have some good info--they do.  But it's simply Catholicism--not any bs that only they have figured out.  Thus, anything they say of value can be verified elsewhere.  You may find some nuggets or ideas with them first.  But don't get the idea that they're the only ones who are right as they seem to believe--else you've partaken too joyfully of the kool-aid.

I agree with you, my argument with them is sort of a moot point since I'm done with the sspx, may the Lord have mercy and help me guide my kids in the true faith