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Offline AlbinoLuciani

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Mgr Lefebvres Secret...
« on: September 04, 2010, 06:52:15 PM »
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  •  Mgr Lefebvre once declared to a common friend who was questioning him about Sister Lucy: «She says so many things!» In this he demonstrated that he had no faith in the revelation of the great Secret of Fatima, communicated in stages since 1941. Furthermore, did not the nun attend the New Mass in her Carmel at Coimbra? That is why Mgr Lefebvre never spoke of Fatima. He thus shared entirely in the hierarchy’s blindness of which Sister Lucy had warned Father Fuentes in 1957.

         There is more. Sister Lucy was forewarned well before ourselves not only of the «errors» of Russia which were to spread war, famine and persecutions against the Church, but also of the cause of these terrible punishments: the «outrages, sacrileges and indifference» by which the Most Precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ were going to be offended, and indeed already were in the prophetic present.

    Is the new rite of Paul VI valid or invalid? The words of the Angel of Portugal answer the question: it is certainly valid. Otherwise the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ would not be «horribly outraged», as they would not actually be present.

         For forty years now we have witnessed the universal development of this «indifference» to the Real Presence of Christ, forsaken «in all the tabernacles of the world», either under the pretext of rejecting the new ordo, or, on the contrary, under its influence, insofar as the New Mass minimises the Real Presence of the Host after the consecration, emphasising instead the Lord’s spiritual presence realised at the very beginning of the celebration by the assembled community!

    Indifference to the true, real and substantial Presence of Our Lord Jesus Christ leads to an  outrageous unconcern for all that touches the salvation of the world through the Cross of Jesus, through His propitiatory sacrifice liturgically re-enacted at every one of our Masses. And this in turn leads to the  sacrileges of   intercommunion perpetrated by Catholic priests who concelebrate the Eucharist with Protestant ministers.

    Consequently we can dismiss the claims of both groups: the integrists who declare the New Mass invalid and thus refuse to adore the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ truly present in all the tabernacles of the world, and the conciliar and postconciliar reformists. To both one and the other apply these words of Our Lord: «Leave the dead to bury their dead.» (Lk 9.60) For they are indeed dead according to these other words: «If you do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you will have no life in you.» (Jn 6.53)

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    Mgr Lefebvres Secret...
    « Reply #1 on: September 04, 2010, 08:23:00 PM »
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  • A very intelligent post.  We need to see all valid
    opinions concerning the novus ordo.
    It would been better for the church not to have
    change the Mass.  It would have eliminated so
    many headaches that confront us to this day, and
    the foreseeable future.
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    « Reply #2 on: September 04, 2010, 08:26:05 PM »
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  • Some say that the 'Sr Lucy'-- who approved the new rite of the anti-pope Paul VI(6)-- was not Sr Lucy at all.

    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    « Reply #3 on: September 04, 2010, 08:32:14 PM »
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  • Welcome, but you said <<<<Is the new rite of Paul VI valid or invalid? The words of the Angel of Portugal answer the question: it is certainly valid. Otherwise the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ would not be «horribly outraged», as they would not actually be present. >>>>

    That is not a very good test, as the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ has always suffered horribly, by persons receiving in mortal sin, or host being stolen for a black mass, plus other outrages.  

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    « Reply #4 on: September 04, 2010, 08:40:04 PM »
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    That is not a very good test, as the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ has always suffered horribly, by persons receiving in mortal sin, or host being stolen for a black mass, plus other outrages.


    True, but the prayer goes on to state, "In all the Tabernacles of the world".

    Thank you for the kind welcome!


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    « Reply #5 on: September 04, 2010, 08:42:56 PM »
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    Some say that the 'Sr Lucy'-- who approved the new rite of the anti-pope Paul VI(6)-- was not Sr Lucy at all.


    The same folks will tell you that the real Pope Paul VI was replaced by a double, subtlety distinguished by slightly different ear lobes.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 04, 2010, 08:47:25 PM »
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  •  I don't think I swallow that one as well. So your theory that the same people that believe the Sr Lucy imposter story will tell the imposter story re: Paul VI(6) is not necessarily true.
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    « Reply #7 on: September 04, 2010, 08:52:14 PM »
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    I don't think I swallow that one as well.


     http://www.tldm.org/News3/impostor.htm

    (Click on link and scroll down to see photos of PPVI.)


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    « Reply #8 on: September 04, 2010, 09:03:16 PM »
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    That is not a very good test, as the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ has always suffered horribly, by persons receiving in mortal sin, or host being stolen for a black mass, plus other outrages.


    True, but the prayer goes on to state, "In all the Tabernacles of the world".

    Thank you for the kind welcome!


    Of course that is where the Blessed Sacrament is kept.  

    As far as Sister Lucy is concerned, I realized many years ago, it is not wise to follow man, in this case a woman, we must follow only what Christ taught, and the novus ordo is not it.  
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    « Reply #9 on: September 04, 2010, 09:13:20 PM »
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    I don't think I swallow that one as well.


     http://www.tldm.org/News3/impostor.htm

    (Click on link and scroll down to see photos of PPVI.)


    Very confusing-- I guess it's not outside the spectrum of possibility that there was an imposter Pope. Some peoples features do change over time though. I don't see why an imposter Pope would need to be installed since Paul VI(6) was going with the NO program anyway.
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    « Reply #10 on: September 04, 2010, 09:20:48 PM »
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    and the novus ordo is not it

    Fatima is beyond question the real deal, but the NO Mass while I agree that it is valid, I would get physically ill if I went to one.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 05, 2010, 05:59:14 PM »
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    I don't think I swallow that one as well.


     http://www.tldm.org/News3/impostor.htm

    (Click on link and scroll down to see photos of PPVI.)


    Very confusing-- I guess it's not outside the spectrum of possibility that there was an imposter Pope. Some peoples features do change over time though. I don't see why an imposter Pope would need to be installed since Paul VI(6) was going with the NO program anyway.


    It's possible that the real Paul VI had died at a time when there were still some Traditional Cardinals in place and the Vatican didn't want them to get in. So they never revealed he died and replaced him with an imposter to keep the modernist movement alive until nearly all Cardinals were modernist. Although, there must have still been some Traditional ones after Paul VI "officially" died, because some wrote in Archbishop LeFebvre's name during the 1978 conclave even though he was not a Cardinal. Another possibility is that the real Paul VI was "truely sorry" for what he had done (a persistant rumor going around about him) as he had either been forced to do what he did or did it because he wanted to yet eventually realized it was wrong and refused to do it anymore and was killed and replaced. If Paul VI was the Pope in Jacinta's vision, then it would have been extremely possible. Either way, it does look like there were two of them.
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    « Reply #12 on: September 05, 2010, 07:20:02 PM »
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    Is the new rite of Paul VI valid or invalid? The words of the Angel of Portugal answer the question: it is certainly valid. Otherwise the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ would not be «horribly outraged», as they would not actually be present.


    This "argument" holds water about as well as fifty-year-old cheesecloth.

    That aside, welcome to the site. :cowboy:
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #13 on: September 05, 2010, 07:37:27 PM »
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  • Welcome to the forum. I am fairly new myself, and happy to be here, as the moderator seems to allow a free-flow of conversation, and only shuts it off in extreme circuмstances.

    I do understand why some people don't/won't attend the Novus Ordo. But what about Eucharistic Adoration? Why would anyone not want to adore Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament, even if they have to set foot in a Novus Ordo Adoration Chapel to do so?

    How can we determine, ourselves, if any Mass is valid or not valid? What if a priest who doesn't intend to consecrate offers the Latin Mass? Is that Mass valid?

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    « Reply #14 on: September 05, 2010, 07:54:03 PM »
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  • Granting that the man is, in fact, a priest, so long as he uses the correct matter and form, and intends to do what the Church does (which is manifested through his use of the correct matter and form, etc), validity is to be presumed -- and there is no reason to doubt.

    IMO, the validity of the NOM is doubtful, to put it mildly, due to defect of form.  I know there are those who believe the contrary...so be it.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."