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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: mw2016 on September 22, 2016, 08:24:40 PM
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Oh dear!
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/ninth-child-on-the-way-for-mel-gibson-215244230.html
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This is not an example of being a good Catholic. This is a bad example to
follow. It is a scandal. Having a child outside of wedlock. At lease they did
not choose an abortion. It is still a mortal sin.
nw2016: I was not the one that thumb you down. After all you just reported
a news item in which many of us are not aware of.
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He's a raging drunkard who divorced his first wife for a Russian popstar, beat her and then moved on.
He's not an example of a good Catholic at all. He could be if he gets his act together, but right now, no.
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He's a raging drunkard who divorced his first wife for a Russian popstar, beat her and then moved on.
He's not an example of a good Catholic at all. He could be if he gets his act together, but right now, no.
I am not so sure that Russian blood flows in her body:
https://ponderingsfrompluto.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/mel-gibsons-girlfriend-revealed-to-be-Jєωιѕн-actordirector-offers-to-convert-to-judaism/
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He's a raging drunkard who divorced his first wife for a Russian popstar, beat her and then moved on.
He's not an example of a good Catholic at all. He could be if he gets his act together, but right now, no.
His prot wife left him. The Russian girl obviously got to his fallen male nature. given the circuмstances (take a look at her) could you have avoided the temptation? I hope so. I've committed a bunch of sins in my day, gotta get this log out of my eye so I can start pointing fingers soon.
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He's a raging drunkard who divorced his first wife for a Russian popstar, beat her and then moved on.
He's not an example of a good Catholic at all. He could be if he gets his act together, but right now, no.
I am not so sure that Russian blood flows in her body:
https://ponderingsfrompluto.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/mel-gibsons-girlfriend-revealed-to-be-Jєωιѕн-actordirector-offers-to-convert-to-judaism/
I call BS on this article. You would hard pressed to convince me Mel ( i know the guy by the way) would EVER convert to ANTI-CATHOLIC God hating JEWDAISM. No Way.
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I'm wondering what good can be produced by posting something like this?
Topics like this always encourage backbiting, which is a dangerous habit to fall in to. IMO it's not something we should be encouraging each other in.
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He's a raging drunkard who divorced his first wife for a Russian popstar, beat her and then moved on.
Not to excuse his present immoral behavior; but I think there is a lot more to this story. Hollywood news are not trustworthy and they always have a feminist agenda to look the man / husband look bad. From what we see, his current actions are sinful and scandalous, yes, but as for his first and true marriage, for example, why did it ended?. It seems that, as in the vast majority of cases, it was the wife who asked for divorce, which leads me to another question: What is a traditional Catholic to do when the spouse legally asks for divorce? (again, not justifying his present adulterous relations). It is a sincere question.
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Oh dear!
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/ninth-child-on-the-way-for-mel-gibson-215244230.html
You are an instigating mole doing nothing more than trolling the forum.
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He's a raging drunkard who divorced his first wife for a Russian popstar, beat her and then moved on.
He's not an example of a good Catholic at all. He could be if he gets his act together, but right now, no.
I am not so sure that Russian blood flows in her body:
https://ponderingsfrompluto.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/mel-gibsons-girlfriend-revealed-to-be-Jєωιѕн-actordirector-offers-to-convert-to-judaism/
This is a satirical blog. None of the news events here are real. At least we’re pretty sure they’re not.
https://ponderingsfrompluto.wordpress.com/about-ponderings-from-pluto/
I wouldn't be surprised if Oksana has some Jєωιѕн ancestry, but the claim that he considered converting to Judaism is obviously satirical.
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He's a raging drunkard who divorced his first wife for a Russian popstar, beat her and then moved on.
He's not an example of a good Catholic at all. He could be if he gets his act together, but right now, no.
His prot wife left him. The Russian girl obviously got to his fallen male nature. given the circuмstances (take a look at her) could you have avoided the temptation? I hope so. I've committed a bunch of sins in my day, gotta get this log out of my eye so I can start pointing fingers soon.
She's not much of a temptation. Plastic with fish lips and an anorexic frame. No thanks.
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He's a raging drunkard who divorced his first wife for a Russian popstar, beat her and then moved on.
Not to excuse his present immoral behavior; but I think there is a lot more to this story. Hollywood news are not trustworthy and they always have a feminist agenda to look the man / husband look bad. From what we see, his current actions are sinful and scandalous, yes, but as for his first and true marriage, for example, why did it ended?. It seems that, as in the vast majority of cases, it was the wife who asked for divorce, which leads me to another question: What is a traditional Catholic to do when the spouse legally asks for divorce? (again, not justifying his present adulterous relations). It is a sincere question.
I'm not sure what someone is to do to stop the divorce (or even it it can be stopped under current laws). I will, however, tell you what such a person should NOT do: pretend that you are not married and start committing adultery.
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nw2016: I was not the one that thumb you down. After all you just reported
a news item in which many of us are not aware of.
That's okay. Somebody thumbs-downed my post of the letter of the three bishops to Bp. Fellay of 2012 yesterday. Go figure!
:fryingpan:
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Oh dear!
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/ninth-child-on-the-way-for-mel-gibson-215244230.html
You are an instigating mole doing nothing more than trolling the forum.
You're crazy, this is newsworthy.
Poor Mel has gone completely off the rails. If nothing else, it makes his fellow Catholics aware that we need to pray for his reversion to the Faith. This man made "The Passion of the Christ" - we should pray for him!
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I'm wondering what good can be produced by posting something like this?
The good that comes from it is knowing he is still fallen away, which means you can remember him in your prayers. He's not getting any younger.
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I assume he must have parishioners at his Church, some locals who regularly attend. It must be hard for them, knowing their benefactor has gone AWOL.
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Oh dear!
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/ninth-child-on-the-way-for-mel-gibson-215244230.html
You are an instigating mole doing nothing more than trolling the forum.
You're crazy, this is newsworthy.
Poor Mel has gone completely off the rails. If nothing else, it makes his fellow Catholics aware that we need to pray for his reversion to the Faith. This man made "The Passion of the Christ" - we should pray for him!
Yeah, totally agree with you mw2016.
After making that movie, he should have entered a monastery and gotten out of the public eye.
Now, the Hollywood-joos mock him as the icon for trad Catholics.
Honestly, a traditional Catholic priest or bishop should make a public condemnation of Gibson, and point out his grievous public sins against the 4th, 6th and 9th Commandments.
Maybe one of the Resistance bishops could do it... or am I dreaming again? :thinking:
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He's a raging drunkard who divorced his first wife for a Russian popstar, beat her and then moved on.
He's not an example of a good Catholic at all. He could be if he gets his act together, but right now, no.
I am not so sure that Russian blood flows in her body:
https://ponderingsfrompluto.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/mel-gibsons-girlfriend-revealed-to-be-Jєωιѕн-actordirector-offers-to-convert-to-judaism/
I call BS on this article. You would hard pressed to convince me Mel ( i know the guy by the way) would EVER convert to ANTI-CATHOLIC God hating JEWDAISM. No Way.
And Mel is close to his father Hutton, a Sedevacantist, who doesn't love Jews overmuch. That claim is likely another bit of madeup celeb news. He needs our prayers.
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Gibson likes em young...
(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7183877.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/PAY-Mel-Gibson-and-Rosalind-Ross.jpg)
In jew-Hollywood, a 40 year age spread is nuthin.
But old men, chasin college age girls, is disgustin.
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Gibson likes em young...
(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7183877.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/PAY-Mel-Gibson-and-Rosalind-Ross.jpg)
In jew-Hollywood, a 40 year age spread is nuthin.
But old men, chasin college age girls, is disgustin.
I live in Los Angeles and know these people pretty well. Gibson's behavior is sinful, but at least he isn't getting a sex change like Bruce Jenner or enjoying fellatio in public restrooms in parks like George Michael. Old men chasing coeds is a pastime all of us would be tempted to do if we were as rich as Mel.
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I'm rather appalled at the nonchalant attitudes people have towards Gibson's sinful and scandalous behavior. While he's a sinner, as we all are, the more public a Catholic ... and Traditional Catholic even ... someone happens to be, the greater the scandal caused. I sympathize with him as a person, but there's absolutely no excuse for the behavior. We are NOT talking about a slip or fall here or there in some moments of weakness. He has persisted in this behavior and does so PUBLICLY, always parading these women around on his arm. It would be one thing if he had some secret affair that came out, but Gibson runs around in public with these adulterous women, caring nothing for the scandal he causes. He SMILES with these women by his side and talks about how happy he is. If he were to be sad about it and say, "I am a poor sinner. I feel terrible for these falls. I am sorry for the scandal I caused." that would be one thing. But unfortunately, one gets ZERO impression of guilt or a bad conscience on his part or any remorse/regret.
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There are certainly women constantly throwing themselves at him due to his wealth, fame, looks, etc. So, while the temptations are great, the big issue is how he flaunts his sin publicly and shows little if any contrition for it.
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He keeps multiplying scandal after scandal... life is short.
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There are certainly women constantly throwing themselves at him due to his wealth, fame, looks, etc. So, while the temptations are great, the big issue is how he flaunts his sin publicly and shows little if any contrition for it.
That's a good point.
But we have to refrain from suppositions. Because he attends a Latin Mass, we assume he is a very pious and devout Roman Catholic. This is obviously not the case. It could just be his "family religion." Like JFK, he's just a "cultural catholic." Because he has a high profile and made the "Passion" movie, we assume he spends his free time in Adoration. But the man lives his own life. Many of us her did not spend every day of our life a "pious Roman Catholic." Most of us have come and gone.
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Many of us her did not spend every day of our life a "pious Roman Catholic." Most of us have come and gone.
Anyone that comes and goes and comes and goes, never really came in the first place. I left when I was 14 (before the Novus Ordo), and came back when I was 40 (pretty much straight into traditional mass).
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Many of us her did not spend every day of our life a "pious Roman Catholic." Most of us have come and gone.
Anyone that comes and goes and comes and goes, never really came in the first place. I left when I was 14 (before the Novus Ordo), and came back when I was 40 (pretty much straight into traditional mass).
Return of an Unclean Spirit
(Matthew 12:43-45)
24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through places without water, seeking rest; and not finding, he saith: I will return into my house whence I came out. 25 And when he is come, he findeth it swept and garnished. 26 Then he goeth and taketh with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and entering in they dwell there. And the last state of that man becomes worse than the first.
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There are certainly women constantly throwing themselves at him due to his wealth, fame, looks, etc. So, while the temptations are great, the big issue is how he flaunts his sin publicly and shows little if any contrition for it.
Well said, Ladislaus, and this is my issue as well.
We are all fallen creatures. So I have a level of sympathy. If I had women throwing themselves at me the way he no doubt has, I could easily (maybe even probably) fall as well. But the real issue is how he publicly revels in it. He's been publicly "in a relationship" i.e. living in adultery, with the current girlfriend for many months and he's now proudly announced that she's having his child.
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We have to stop kidding ourselves about Mel. He popped a surprised on all of us with "The Passion" but it wasn't exactly the greatest movie ever made and there are some major problems with characterization in my eyes, our Blessed Mother being the most glaring. For what it was, it was a good start and that's all it turned out to be in retrospect.
What was his immediate follow-up? Ah, a story about a young Yucatec who manages to escape the clutches of the evil Mayans, all the while invoking his pagan ancestors and refusing to approach the Spaniard Catholics in the end. Thanks for that Mel! Then he gets in trouble for shooting his drunk mouth off about the Jews and spends the rest of his time trying to get back in good graces with Hollywood. Then there's all this talk of his shady real estate dealings, his associations with rich republicans (neocons). Then finally there's his divorce and preoccupation with sleeping around with disgusting gold diggers.
If I am ever going to watch another one of his efforts, he's needs to renounce his death spiral for good. Nothing holy is going to come out his efforts the way he is now.
On a side note, I know the director isn't always responsible for the actor's personal lives and beliefs, but a good smattering of the actors from The Passion are about as left-wing as you can get. What was the point of having a modern jewess play the Virgin Mary? Now of course Jim Caviezel took the role seriously as a Catholic, and nearly died from the experience, but what does he do today but pretend there's no difference between Catholics and Protestants? Why do we have to see him speaking in an auditorium filled with Evangelicals without the slightest hint he's not one of them?
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Here's a quick quiz.
(http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2013/01/13/gg-jodi-foster-reax-02.w529.h352.jpg)
In this picture, Mel was deeply moved by the following:
A) Jim Caviezel talks about his Catholic Faith.
B) A speech by his father.
C) Jodie Foster officially coming out as a lesbian upon receiving her lifetime achievement award at the 2013 Golden Globes.
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Because he attends a Latin Mass........
That can only add to the scandal - no? Hopefully he either does not go or is refused communion.
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Doesn't he own a private chapel somewhere?
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I think this is it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Family_(Agoura_Hills,_California)
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The question is.... does he still go to mass? I have heard that his chapel was shut down. Is this true?
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Mel Gibson is going to be on EWTN with Raymond Arroyo.
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The question is.... does he still go to mass? I have heard that his chapel was shut down. Is this true?
Total cost of Mel Gibson's chapel in Agoura Hills, CA (2008): $40 million (http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuмents/2007/954/768/2007-954768218-03fddbb3-F.pdf)
Total money lost in divorce: $450 million (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2011/12/mel-gibsons-loses-half-of-his-850-million-fortune-to-ex-wife-in-divorce/)
His last successful film was Passion of the Christ 12 years ago.
He likely doesn't have the capital to maintain it anymore, nor has he for a while, it seems.
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I feel sorrow for Mel. (and more so for his family) So much he has lost or just thrown away. Hopefully, he will get his head screwed back around straight soon.
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His last successful film was Passion of the Christ 12 years ago.
That's not true. Apocalypto (two years after Passion) made $120 million on a $40 million budget; I'd call that "successful." True, it is no where near the amount of money made by Passion, but an $80 million profit can hardly be called unsuccessful.
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I feel sad for Mel Gibson. I think my priest might say "Here's a man to whom God gave great gifts and he is throwing them away and spitting in Our Lord's Beautiful Face." And that is how I feel.
Hollywood is a cesspool of iniquity. I am not sure that even the most pious Catholic could continue to live and work their and completely avoid this temptation. I couldn't. I would have to take my money and talents and move away. What's the nuns name who was in all those movies with Elvis Presley? Like her. Just leave the temptation and the life and go serve Christ.
Mel has been taken in by the devil, in many forms, and he needs our prayers.
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What's the nuns name who was in all those movies with Elvis Presley?
Her name was (and is) Delores Hart. Interestingly, I just saw her interviewed on EWTN. She said that if VatII had not happened, she would never have become a nun. :stare: