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Mel Gibson endorses Abp. Viganò’s remarks on Vatican II,
« on: September 10, 2021, 11:03:21 PM »
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    Re: Mel Gibson endorses Abp. Viganò’s remarks on Vatican II,
    « Reply #1 on: September 13, 2021, 03:16:33 AM »
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    Re: Mel Gibson endorses Abp. Viganò’s remarks on Vatican II,
    « Reply #2 on: September 13, 2021, 03:20:49 AM »
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    • Mel Gibson has lost all credibility with me since he divorced his wife. Moreover, he is just an actor, and not too well upstairs.  
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    Re: Mel Gibson endorses Abp. Viganò’s remarks on Vatican II,
    « Reply #3 on: September 13, 2021, 03:38:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on September 13, 2021, 03:20:49 AM
    Mel Gibson has lost all credibility with me since he divorced his wife. Moreover, he is just an actor, and not too well upstairs. 

    In the short video provided in the OP link, he actually looks more normal than usual, and not so wild-eyed and 'out there.'

    Even great sinners can have the ability to see some truth. Yes, he is just an actor, but he endured a lot of persecution from Jєωs for making his 'Passion' film. 
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    Re: Mel Gibson endorses Abp. Viganò’s remarks on Vatican II,
    « Reply #4 on: September 13, 2021, 05:27:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on September 13, 2021, 03:20:49 AM
    Mel Gibson has lost all credibility with me since he divorced his wife. Moreover, he is just an actor, and not too well upstairs. 

    'Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.'

    When ever anyone puts up something on CIF that is said or written by someone, I find what is said is very often dismissed by attacking the person. It called the ad hominem ploy. What if every time someone who posts on CIF was exposed as the sinner they are or were, in order to dismiss any discussion, CIF could close down. Imagine if someone quoted St Augustine and another said he was a dreadful sinner in his early life so pay no attention to what he had to say, we could dismiss St Augustine altogether.

    Mel Gibson brought the Passion of Christ to millions. God only knows how many souls were converted by that film. Having known Mel's father Hutton Gibson, Mel knows well his Catholic faith and I have no doubt he is aware of his sins and if he has not repented his sins already is aware of his need to repent them before he meets that Christ he made that film about. The same applies to every person who posts or reads posts on CIF.
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    Re: Mel Gibson endorses Abp. Viganò’s remarks on Vatican II,
    « Reply #5 on: September 13, 2021, 05:45:36 AM »
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    • Hmm.  There’s still hope for him after all.  The intellectual aspect of the faith is still present in him, even if he’s made grave moral faults.

    That’s actually rather encouraging, since one can repent from sin, but almost nobody sees the true depths of the crisis as he appears to.

    I would suggest praying for him, not just in charity for his soul, but also because of the great influence he can have in reinstilling to the modern consciousness a sense of the supernatural (which the devil is successfully driving out of the world today).

    Getting people at least thinking about God is the first step.  Some will progress to embrace the true faith.

    This is also the first time I’ve seen Gibson speak on the crisis in the Church, in a way which shows he truly understands the nature of the problem (hirelings and sin).

    Perhaps he will yet come back.
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    Re: Mel Gibson endorses Abp. Viganò’s remarks on Vatican II,
    « Reply #6 on: September 13, 2021, 06:01:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on September 13, 2021, 03:20:49 AM
    Mel Gibson has lost all credibility with me since he divorced his wife. Moreover, he is just an actor, and not too well upstairs. 

    Yes, that was a great scandal and does reduce his credibility.  Hopefully now that he's making the new movie about The Resurrection, it'll give him pause to clean up his act.

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    He also urged Pope Francis to repent and to take seriously the 10 commandments as absolutes. “The 10 Commandments were written in stone for a reason,” he said.

    Mr. Gibson needs have a good look at #6 there.

    Sure, we're all sinners, and this isn't about casting stones, but he has persisted for years in adultery and it's been very public, so any positive effects his statements may have are offset by the bad example he gives in appearing to condone living in adultery.  We're not talking about a sin of weakness here, where someone has a fall but then shows contrition and tries to amend.  So the problem here is his persistence in sin, and not just the sin itself.

    He's been with his current adulterous "girlfriend" for 7 years now.  One would think that at some point there, he would have some second thoughts.  He's not in much of a position to criticize Bergoglio regarding the commandments.
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    Re: Mel Gibson endorses Abp. Viganò’s remarks on Vatican II,
    « Reply #7 on: September 13, 2021, 09:10:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on September 13, 2021, 05:27:06 AM
    Imagine if someone quoted St Augustine and another said he was a dreadful sinner in his early life so pay no attention to what he had to say, we could dismiss St Augustine altogether.
    Not a comparable example, for St. Augustine was not a baptized Catholic when he lead his worldly licentious life, neither was Mary Magdalen.

    Ladislaus explained it perfectly:


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    he has persisted for years in adultery and it's been very public, so any positive effects his statements may have are offset by the bad example he gives in appearing to condone living in adultery.  We're not talking about a sin of weakness here, where someone has a fall but then shows contrition and tries to amend.  So the problem here is his persistence in sin, and not just the sin itself. He's been with his current adulterous "girlfriend" for 7 years now.  One would think that at some point there, he would have some second thoughts.  He's not in much of a position to criticize Bergoglio regarding the commandments.




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    Re: Mel Gibson endorses Abp. Viganò’s remarks on Vatican II,
    « Reply #8 on: September 13, 2021, 09:11:34 AM »
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    • He needs go back to his first wife  (she's not Catholic either) or live a single continent life now.
    I'm sure he is a devotee and loves our Lady very much. She takes care of her children, especially sinners. Mel has done great things for God and has taken many arrows for Him as well.
    There is great hope for amendment with Mel as long as he sticks with his Mother. 
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    Re: Mel Gibson endorses Abp. Viganò’s remarks on Vatican II,
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    • Quote from: Meg on September 13, 2021, 03:16:33 AM
    Good commentary from Mel Gibson.
    What are you saying.... he's an evil sede isn't he?  :confused:
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    Re: Mel Gibson endorses Abp. Viganò’s remarks on Vatican II,
    « Reply #10 on: September 13, 2021, 11:14:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on September 13, 2021, 05:27:06 AM
    'Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.'

    When ever anyone puts up something on CIF that is said or written by someone, I find what is said is very often dismissed by attacking the person. It called the ad hominem ploy. What if every time someone who posts on CIF was exposed as the sinner they are or were, in order to dismiss any discussion, CIF could close down. Imagine if someone quoted St Augustine and another said he was a dreadful sinner in his early life so pay no attention to what he had to say, we could dismiss St Augustine altogether.

    Mel Gibson brought the Passion of Christ to millions. God only knows how many souls were converted by that film. Having known Mel's father Hutton Gibson, Mel knows well his Catholic faith and I have no doubt he is aware of his sins and if he has not repented his sins already is aware of his need to repent them before he meets that Christ he made that film about. The same applies to every person who posts or reads posts on CIF.

    Hold on a minute Cass.   Please let me get a couple of sucker punches in on him too.


     What is Mel Gibson?  With his background and recent record, could he possibly be a fake trad, a high profile set-up for Catholic scandals?
     
    I once read from a rather informed source that Gibson would never have survived in Hollywood unless he was secretly collaborating with the Jєωs.

    Most people hold his movie, "The Passion of Christ" to be a sacrosanct work, but I humbly submit that it contained an important protestant heresy, that most Catholics overlooked at 1:17:




    Bible Question:

    Does it say in the Bible that Jesus stomped on the head of a snake?
    This was at the time when He was praying before His crucifixion as revealed in “The Passion” move.

    Bible Answer:

    Mel Gibson’s movie “The Passion of the Christ” attempts to help us understand how Jesus suffered and died on the cross. He captured the horror of the Roman punishment, whipping, and abuse. He showed us how the Romans crucified a person and Gibson wonderfully showed us Jesus’ loving heart and compassion.

    But the movie contains a number of things that are not found in the Bible. They are fiction and were made up. One of them is Jesus stomping on the head of a snake. The film maker assumed that the statement in Genesis 3:15 implied that Jesus would stomp on the head of the snake.

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     Between you and the woman,
     And between your seed and her seed;
     He shall bruise you on the head,
     And you shall bruise him on the heel. (NASB) Gen. 3:15

    But there is no reference in the New Testament that Jesus physically stepped on a snake. In Genesis 3:15 the snake represents Satan. The prophecy states that there will be “enmity” – a strong tension and personal war – between the future Messiah and Satan. The Messiah was and still is Jesus Christ. The New Testament tells us that Satan attempted to defeat Jesus, the Messiah.


    In conclusion, Hollywood Jєωs can accept a "Jesus movie" when they can slip-in a major heresy and broadcast it around the world.







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    Re: Mel Gibson endorses Abp. Viganò’s remarks on Vatican II,
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on September 13, 2021, 05:45:36 AM
    Hmm.  There’s still hope for him after all.  The intellectual aspect of the faith is still present in him, even if he’s made grave moral faults.

    That’s actually rather encouraging, since one can repent from sin, but almost nobody sees the true depths of the crisis as he appears to.

    I would suggest praying for him, not just in charity for his soul, but also because of the great influence he can have in reinstilling to the modern consciousness a sense of the supernatural (which the devil is successfully driving out of the world today).

    Getting people at least thinking about God is the first step.  Some will progress to embrace the true faith.

    This is also the first time I’ve seen Gibson speak on the crisis in the Church, in a way which shows he truly understands the nature of the problem (hirelings and sin).

    Perhaps he will yet come back.
    Yeah, but what would he say about +ABL?   :popcorn:


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    Re: Mel Gibson endorses Abp. Viganò’s remarks on Vatican II,
    « Reply #12 on: September 13, 2021, 11:54:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on September 13, 2021, 11:14:12 AM
    Hold on a minute Cass.  Please let me get a couple of sucker punches in on him too.


     What is Mel Gibson?  With his background and recent record, could he possibly be a fake trad, a high profile set-up for Catholic scandals?
     
    I once read from a rather informed source that Gibson would never have survived in Hollywood unless he was secretly collaborating with the Jєωs.

    Most people hold his movie, "The Passion of Christ" to be a sacrosanct work, but I humbly submit that it contained an important protestant heresy, that most Catholics overlooked at 1:17:




    Bible Question:

    Does it say in the Bible that Jesus stomped on the head of a snake?
    This was at the time when He was praying before His crucifixion as revealed in “The Passion” move.

    Bible Answer:

    Mel Gibson’s movie “The Passion of the Christ” attempts to help us understand how Jesus suffered and died on the cross. He captured the horror of the Roman punishment, whipping, and abuse. He showed us how the Romans crucified a person and Gibson wonderfully showed us Jesus’ loving heart and compassion.

    But the movie contains a number of things that are not found in the Bible. They are fiction and were made up. One of them is Jesus stomping on the head of a snake. The film maker assumed that the statement in Genesis 3:15 implied that Jesus would stomp on the head of the snake.

    But there is no reference in the New Testament that Jesus physically stepped on a snake. In Genesis 3:15 the snake represents Satan. The prophecy states that there will be “enmity” – a strong tension and personal war – between the future Messiah and Satan. The Messiah was and still is Jesus Christ. The New Testament tells us that Satan attempted to defeat Jesus, the Messiah.


    In conclusion, Hollywood Jєωs can accept a "Jesus movie" when they can slip-in a major heresy and broadcast it around the world.

    I'm not sure about that.  I saw it as just a metaphor.  But evidently Gibson relied a lot on some of the mystics like Emmerick and Agreda to fill in some of these "details".  Our Lord's stomping on the snake doesn't preclude Our Lady doing it as well, and I wouldn't quite call it a heresy, as there are a couple different readings of that passage in Genesis floating around.  Our Lord stomping Satan and Our Lady stomping Satan aren't mutually exclusive.
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    Re: Mel Gibson endorses Abp. Viganò’s remarks on Vatican II,
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 13, 2021, 11:54:56 AM
    I'm not sure about that.  I saw it as just a metaphor.  But evidently Gibson relied a lot on some of the mystics like Emmerick and Agreda to fill in some of these "details".  Our Lord's stomping on the snake doesn't preclude Our Lady doing it as well, and I wouldn't quite call it a heresy, as there are a couple different readings of that passage in Genesis floating around.  Our Lord stomping Satan and Our Lady stomping Satan aren't mutually exclusive.



    Oh really... I need to smoke a pipe on that one?

    Didn't know your seminary expertise was in theology?

    On the contrary, Gibson's serpent scene is the exact visual representation of the heretical re-write of the Protestant's Book of Genesis.

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    • The Book of Genesis is visually reconfirmed in 1531 AD.

    Our Lady of Guadalupe was into "snake crushing" too. 

    We shouldn't underestimate the Heavenly force behind her cute little shoe.




    HER FOOT RESTED ON THE CRESCENT MOON

    The crescent moon symbolized the Aztec god Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent moon god. She has clearly crushed and defeated him.


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