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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Matt and Ferrara: How many more times must Burke call Our Lady a liar?
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2017, 03:50:47 PM »
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The object of their (novus ordo clergy's) devotion, therefore, is not, in spite of any intentions to the contrary, the God-man Jesus Christ, but ultimately rather mere men; most notably, the post-conciliar popes.
Just as we should not give undue time and respect to Cardinal Burke, for he does not deserve it, so we should not give undue time and respect to Matt and Ferrara, who are cut from the same cloth as Burke - the least moldy apples in a barrel of rot.  Neither of these 3 men stand on firm principles, but only on the "bells and whistles" of tradition.  They are traditional modernists, in the sense that they want tradition and the world together.  Of course, catholicism and the world are diametrically opposed, but they are still trying.

God wired most people to be followers and to crave leadership.  In the traditional catholic 'leadership vacuum' in which we live, these men have followers not because they are leaders, but only because they appear to be, to those that want a 'middle of the road' trad catholic life (i.e. liberal sspx trads and indulters).  To them, +Williamson and the sede bishops are "crazy"; +Fellay is a likeable 'moderate' but still 'not in full communion'.  Burke, Matt and Ferrara are in 'full communion', they preach 'orthodoxy' and they 'aren't extremists'.  "BINGO!  They're my guys," say the trad moderates (i.e. the modern version of irish "soupers").
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Offline hollingsworth

Re: Matt and Ferrara: How many more times must Burke call Our Lady a liar?
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2017, 05:46:41 PM »
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Just as we should not give undue time and respect to Cardinal Burke, for he does not deserve it, so we should not give undue time and respect to Matt and Ferrara, who are cut from the same cloth as Burke - the least moldy apples in a barrel of rot.  Neither of these 3 men stand on firm principles, but only on the "bells and whistles" of tradition.  They are traditional modernists, in the sense that they want tradition and the world together.  Of course, catholicism and the world are diametrically opposed, but they are still trying.

Well, exactly! I can't imagine that many members of this forum would disagree.  But Michael of the Catacombs, and his little sidekick Ferrara have been plying their trad' Catholic trade fairly successfully for years now.  Even Mr. Verrecchio , though he takes them both to task in his article, declares in that same article that this duo have done enormous good for the church.  Oh really?  Explain that to a guy like myself, who having already eschewed New Church, is at the point of abandoning the traditional movement altogether, due in part to the shenanigans of perceived trad leaders like Matt and Ferrara.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Matt and Ferrara: How many more times must Burke call Our Lady a liar?
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2017, 11:23:41 PM »
The point is, if you don't like the "leaders" who are yappin, then don't follow them.  Don't abandon Tradition because you can't find someone to follow.  Be your own leader, even if only a few follow.  Leaders are not measured by numbers; but by conviction and fortitude.  Christ is the true leader of traditionalism, as He is the True Shepherd who will guide those who wish to follow. 
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Offline hollingsworth

Re: Matt and Ferrara: How many more times must Burke call Our Lady a liar?
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2017, 10:58:52 AM »

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The point is, if you don't like the "leaders" who are yappin, then don't follow them.  Don't abandon Tradition because you can't find someone to follow.  Be your own leader, even if only a few follow.  Leaders are not measured by numbers; but by conviction and fortitude.  Christ is the true leader of traditionalism, as He is the True Shepherd who will guide those who wish to follow.
point taken.  fact is, we really have no (mortal) leaders.  by default almost we are forced to be our own leaders.  i'm probably guilty of the sin of detraction, anyway, by saying what i have about matt and ferrara.  suffice to say that these men, including cdl. burke, are not our leaders.  may God help each of them to save his own soul.

actually, The Holy Mother informed lucy 60 years ago that we would no longer be able to count on Rome.  that was almost 15 years before v2 had ever commenced.  the faithful "abandoned by their leaders," was the message even then.  quoting from fr. fuentes in 1957, Our Lady is reported to have spoken through lucy the following:

"now it is necessary for each one of us to begin to reform himself spiritually..."  in other words, popes, cardinals, and bishops, much less self-appointed lay leaders, were not going  to provide much effective spiritual assistance thereafter.
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Offline cindy gibson

Re: Matt and Ferrara: How many more times must Burke call Our Lady a liar?
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2017, 11:38:43 PM »
I think cardinal Burke and Francis ,are working together to suck in Traditionalists into accepting Vat II. Look at bishop Fellay he agrees with
90% of the council, he has said. also Cardinal Burke is working in the Vatican again, so is he getting along with Francis again.
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