You are at least correct for the upper three (I don´t know too much about MHFM´s position). But keep in mind that SSPV says "no" to CMRI and other Thuc-line bishops/priests because of the question of validity, while Bp. Sanborn does not want you to go the SSPX or any other "una cuм" Mass because of the insertion of the Vatican-II popes into the Canon of the Mass.

Simply looking at your list there, it seems like if you ignored MHFM, you'd be significantly less confused. What makes you think they are a reliable source in the first place? The others are priests, but I thought MHFM was a couple of laymen.

I respect the opinion of MHFM for a few reasons:

-They do a great job articulating the sedevacantist position
-They make excellent videos
-They tell it like it is
-They really don't care what anybody else thinks
-They do their own research

Friends, EVERYONE'S websites are cases of 'take the good, leave the bad', except where they simply provide and support the teachings of the Church. Period.

There IS no confusion when you stop asking, 'which sede or other trad group is better than the others', and simply ask, 'who is faithful to the Magisterium and the Traditions we have received from Christ and the Apostles?'.

MHFM, SSPV and all the rest can safely be said to be traditional. You know what the Mass is; don't GO to bastardized Roncalli '62 services, or 'una cuм' services that include anti-popes. Simple.

Don't attend the services of people who are in full and free communion with Rome. The SSPX, based on their track record, are probably safe for the time being; I believe each church or chapel will have to be judged on its own merits for now until this 'preamble' nonsense is finalized. It will remain to be seen whether the SSPX as an organization will remain a valid choice for Catholics.

Honestly... just ask yourself what the Church teaches, and lay off all the secondary, maybe/possibly stuff. You'll be much safer when you simply ask the Church Fathers and the successors of the Apostles what THEY thought through their writings rather than grasping at doctrinal straws like the Protestants and the Conciliar heretics do.

As I have said plenty of times before, BOD and BOB are teachings of the Church, but there is no sense in trying to figure out EXACTLY what circuмstances would cause those teachings to be applicable. It is much safer to do what Our Lord said when St. Peter asked what was going to happen to the Apostle John: "What does that have to do with you? You follow ME."

It will get a LOT easier for traditional Catholics if we all just keep concentrating on the things that have ALWAYS mattered, like prayer, the Rosary, the Mass and works of mercy. Diving into all these minutiae and bickering and sniping is certainly not leading anyone to any greater sanctity.

My vote is to stick with the Fathers, the Doctors, the Saints and the Popes. I have this feeling that Our Lord wants it that way.

St. John Vianney, patron of faithful priests, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Friends, EVERYONE'S websites are cases of 'take the good, leave the bad', except where they simply provide and support the teachings of the Church. Period.

There IS no confusion when you stop asking, 'which sede or other trad group is better than the others', and simply ask, 'who is faithful to the Magisterium and the Traditions we have received from Christ and the Apostles?'.

MHFM, SSPV and all the rest can safely be said to be traditional. You know what the Mass is; don't GO to bastardized Roncalli '62 services, or 'una cuм' services that include anti-popes. Simple.

Don't attend the services of people who are in full and free communion with Rome. The SSPX, based on their track record, are probably safe for the time being; I believe each church or chapel will have to be judged on its own merits for now until this 'preamble' nonsense is finalized. It will remain to be seen whether the SSPX as an organization will remain a valid choice for Catholics.

Honestly... just ask yourself what the Church teaches, and lay off all the secondary, maybe/possibly stuff. You'll be much safer when you simply ask the Church Fathers and the successors of the Apostles what THEY thought through their writings rather than grasping at doctrinal straws like the Protestants and the Conciliar heretics do.

As I have said plenty of times before, BOD and BOB are teachings of the Church, but there is no sense in trying to figure out EXACTLY what circuмstances would cause those teachings to be applicable. It is much safer to do what Our Lord said when St. Peter asked what was going to happen to the Apostle John: "What does that have to do with you? You follow ME."

It will get a LOT easier for traditional Catholics if we all just keep concentrating on the things that have ALWAYS mattered, like prayer, the Rosary, the Mass and works of mercy. Diving into all these minutiae and bickering and sniping is certainly not leading anyone to any greater sanctity.

My vote is to stick with the Fathers, the Doctors, the Saints and the Popes. I have this feeling that Our Lord wants it that way.

St. John Vianney, patron of faithful priests, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

For a lot of Trads that don't want to go to a New Church affiliated Mass (FSSP, ICK, etc.) it comes down to what is available to you within a reasonable traveling distance. I am fortunate to be within driving distance (a little over an hour one way) to a Sede Chapel affiliated with one of the above mentioned groups, but if I was not, I would probably be going to an SSPX Church.

MHFM doesn't say "yes" to the SSPX, they say that you can attend but you can't put money in their plate otherwise they say you're a heretic for giving money to heretics. So techinally they say "no" to the Society. The Dimonds support being a home-aloner, meaning that you have access to a TLM but refuse to attend because you don't agree with the views of those celebrating the Mass.

And I agree with Mater. Yes the Dimonds have some good arguments and materials on their web-site, but you can't base your position entirely on what a couple of laypeople who condemn practically everyone but themselves say.

BUT I do think sometimes they go over on who is a heretic, on where to go to mass, especially on the home-alonism. Its a dangerous thing, being a home-aloner. Just imagine how much free time you do have, idleness, no other Catholics to bounce anything off of. Nobody. Just you and your missal, maybe some people online , but usually they are very strange people, in my experience. I go to an SSPX/indep mass with a validly ordained Old Rite priest, and little interaction with the SSPX bishops, external clergy , etc. I think it works for now and God has placed me here for a reason. To get the sacraments until a better home is possible.

Hey Bud-

I understand how MHFM is a source of inspiration to those who consider tradition. Even I was exposed to them through one of their videos. So Iknow where you're coming from. That being said, if everyone were to take the advise of MHFM then, while recognizing that they do good WITH bad, they would need to stop attending their services. I mean, and you said it, think of how dangerous being a Home Aloner is...

What's great is you show your saintliness by doing what they fail to do- you pray for them. I don't know that I see many videos of theirs suggesting this for those 'groups' outside their own...

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BUT I do think sometimes they go over on who is a heretic, on where to go to mass, especially on the home-alonism. Its a dangerous thing, being a home-aloner. Just imagine how much free time you do have, idleness, no other Catholics to bounce anything off of. Nobody. Just you and your missal, maybe some people online , but usually they are very strange people, in my experience. I go to an SSPX/indep mass with a validly ordained Old Rite priest, and little interaction with the SSPX bishops, external clergy , etc. I think it works for now and God has placed me here for a reason. To get the sacraments until a better home is possible.

Hey Bud-

I understand how MHFM is a source of inspiration to those who consider tradition. Even I was exposed to them through one of their videos. So Iknow where you're coming from. That being said, if everyone were to take the advise of MHFM then, while recognizing that they do good WITH bad, they would need to stop attending their services. I mean, and you said it, think of how dangerous being a Home Aloner is...

What's great is you show your saintliness by doing what they fail to do- you pray for them. I don't know that I see many videos of theirs suggesting this for those 'groups' outside their own...

s2srea, you make a valid point and something that I do agree with. Taking the MHFM stance to their conclusion would separate you from nearly everyone out there including every other traditional Catholic. The remnant is only MHFM? No emotions here, just thinking out loud but I do not think that is possible at all. Are all the Thuc line bishops and sacraments invalid because a few people conjectured and theorized that he was insane and unfit to transfer orders? Are the ABL line invalid because ABL never outright came to the sedevacantist conclusion, or if he did , he shied back to somewhere closer to the Conciliar Church? NO. A valid sacrament is a valid sacrament, in my humble estimation, and wherever you can find this is where you will find God and you will be nourished for the time being.

Thank you for your compliment, but I am so far from sainthood and I wonder if God even wants me to become a saint for him? Grandiose thoughts of red martyrdom , dieing in battle with a rosary in hand and crucifix in the other, fighting the NWO... these flow through my head. Yet it is most likely pride and anger mixing all together. Or is it...  

May the Lord keep you , s2rea, and Mary our Mother cover you in her mantle always.