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Offline DivaEl

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MASSIVE SEDEVACANTIST CONFUSION
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2011, 10:47:23 PM »
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  • The Dimond brothers of MHFM have exhibited some really sleazy behavior. They funded their operation by talking some poor young Catholic man out of his large inheritance under the pretext of making him a Benedictine monk when they're not even actual Benedictines themselves! The Four Marks newspaper reported on the matter in a front page article titled "Dimond Theives" a while back after the Dimonds got sued by their victim.

    Plus they deny BOD even though the true Popes supported it, and they believe that Siri was a duly elected pope, which is a lot of nonsense. So you have to take anything they say with a kilo of salt and watch your pocketbook carefully when dealing with them!


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    « Reply #16 on: October 20, 2011, 11:16:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: DivaEl
    The Dimond brothers of MHFM have exhibited some really sleazy behavior. They funded their operation by talking some poor young Catholic man out of his large inheritance under the pretext of making him a Benedictine monk when they're not even actual Benedictines themselves! The Four Marks newspaper reported on the matter in a front page article titled "Dimond Theives" a while back after the Dimonds got sued by their victim.

    Plus they deny BOD even though the true Popes supported it, and they believe that Siri was a duly elected pope, which is a lot of nonsense. So you have to take anything they say with a kilo of salt and watch your pocketbook carefully when dealing with them!


    When I watch their vidoes I come under a deep spiritual experience. I become very intense about the faith. Its hard to explain. Especially their videos "Why JP2 was the antichrist" and also "Death and Journey into Hel."


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    « Reply #17 on: October 21, 2011, 07:04:42 AM »
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  • Quote from: curiouscatholic23
    Im really struggling with these issues and I do not know who to turn to because I get conflicting answers. Correct me if Im wrong in these assertions.

    For example CMRI believes in BOD and NFP and they say I can go to SSPX.

    SSPV says yes to BOD, NFP, and una cuм masses, but no to CMRI.

    Bp. Sanborn says yes to BOD, NFP, CMRI, but no to SSPX masses.

    MHFM says no to BOD, NFP, but yes to SSPX and even EC in communion with Rome.

    Talk about confusion lol. Reminds me of when I had to cram for a chemistry test.


    These "confusions" are relatively small when compared to the confusions we find in the Conciliar church.  In sedevacantist circles, the confusion is in very fine points of doctrine on a few specific issues.  In non-sedevacantist circles, the confusion is in every single aspect of spiritual and liturgical life as well as in every aspect of the administration of their church.

    Perhaps it is true that sedevacantists disagree in their understanding of BOD and NFP.  But it is without doubt that non-sedevacantists believe that there are no truly binding doctrines for modern ecuмenism is clearly the foundational dogma of that religion.  Even then, some of them reject this (the SSPX) and others pretend it doesn't exist (FSSP and others) while their leader(Bendict XVI) and others go all out to bring both heretics, schismatics, pagans, Jєωs, and even athiests together to pray to Satan for peace to the accolades of the world community and Conciliar catholics alike because, for them, it doesn't matter one iota what one believes or does as long as we all get along.

    And we complain about confusion over small points of doctrine among actual Catholics?  

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    « Reply #18 on: October 21, 2011, 09:12:50 AM »
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  • Quote from: curiouscatholic23
    Quote from: DivaEl
    The Dimond brothers of MHFM have exhibited some really sleazy behavior. They funded their operation by talking some poor young Catholic man out of his large inheritance under the pretext of making him a Benedictine monk when they're not even actual Benedictines themselves! The Four Marks newspaper reported on the matter in a front page article titled "Dimond Theives" a while back after the Dimonds got sued by their victim.

    Plus they deny BOD even though the true Popes supported it, and they believe that Siri was a duly elected pope, which is a lot of nonsense. So you have to take anything they say with a kilo of salt and watch your pocketbook carefully when dealing with them!


    When I watch their vidoes I come under a deep spiritual experience. I become very intense about the faith. Its hard to explain. Especially their videos "Why JP2 was the antichrist" and also "Death and Journey into Hel."


    Their claim that JPII was the antichrist is quite a ridiculous thing to believe, given that Scripture and Prophecy both tell us otherwise.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #19 on: October 21, 2011, 02:35:13 PM »
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  • I just find it incredibly bizarre that I live in a major East Coast city, in a section of that city with a very large Catholic population, yet the closest SSPX Mass is over an hr away, and the closest sede Mass is 2-3 hrs away. Not knowing how to drive or having a car makes it only worse.

    I DO have a Diocesan TLM 15 mins away by bus, and another Diocesan TLM 45 mins away by bus but of course I won't go there.
    "If I am not in the state of grace, may the Lord put me in it. And if I am in the state of grace, may the Lord keep me in it".--St Jehanne D'Arc, during her trial.


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    « Reply #20 on: October 21, 2011, 09:09:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: curiouscatholic23
    Im really struggling with these issues and I do not know who to turn to because I get conflicting answers. Correct me if Im wrong in these assertions.

    For example CMRI believes in BOD and NFP and they say I can go to SSPX.

    SSPV says yes to BOD, NFP, and una cuм masses, but no to CMRI.

    Bp. Sanborn says yes to BOD, NFP, CMRI, but no to SSPX masses.

    MHFM says no to BOD, NFP, but yes to SSPX and even EC in communion with Rome.

    Talk about confusion lol. Reminds me of when I had to cram for a chemistry test.


    What you've just described is a textbook example of Protestantism. Each of these sects uses private judgment to make contradictory claims. They can't all be right. Who is right?

    This is what happens when one separates oneself from Rome and the Roman Pontiff. At least the SSPX recognizes the authority of the Pope in principle.

    This discovery should set off a lightbulb in your head to avoid all of these groups like the plague.

    The Catholic Church is ONE, not legion like the demons. The Catholic Church has one head and one authority, not 5 conflicting irregular Bishops condemning each other. Stick with the Pope and stick with the Church and you'll be ok.

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    « Reply #21 on: October 21, 2011, 09:11:24 PM »
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    I just find it incredibly bizarre that I live in a major East Coast city, in a section of that city with a very large Catholic population, yet the closest SSPX Mass is over an hr away, and the closest sede Mass is 2-3 hrs away. Not knowing how to drive or having a car makes it only worse.

    I DO have a Diocesan TLM 15 mins away by bus, and another Diocesan TLM 45 mins away by bus but of course I won't go there.


    You have a diocesan TLM 15 minutes away and you choose to miss Mass altogether rather than going to it? How is this not schismatic?

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    « Reply #22 on: October 22, 2011, 12:26:58 AM »
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  • Santo- What do you think about "Assisi 3" on October 27? Do you think its an act of scandal and apostasy to pray with pagans?


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    « Reply #23 on: October 22, 2011, 01:17:59 AM »
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  • Santo Subito said:
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    You have a diocesan TLM 15 minutes away and you choose to miss Mass altogether rather than going to it? How is this not schismatic?


    Someone who cavalierly overlooks the heretical words and apostate acts of the current "Pope," if not defending them outright, had better be real careful flinging around words like "schismatic."  As ye judge, so shall ye be judged.

    Because of the New rite of Consecration which I believe is invalid, but which is at the very least doubtful, the priests are all doubtful and Catholics should not attend their "Masses."  Catholics should not attend any Mass that is doubtful, that is my understanding.    
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #24 on: October 22, 2011, 12:46:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: Anna1959
    I just find it incredibly bizarre that I live in a major East Coast city, in a section of that city with a very large Catholic population, yet the closest SSPX Mass is over an hr away, and the closest sede Mass is 2-3 hrs away. Not knowing how to drive or having a car makes it only worse.

    I DO have a Diocesan TLM 15 mins away by bus, and another Diocesan TLM 45 mins away by bus but of course I won't go there.


    I do not find this bizarre at all.  I don't presently live in a city but I have lived in cities in the past.  And though there are often large populations of self-professed Catholics in those cities, there are often very few people who actually believe and practice the Catholic Faith.  Furthermore, the costs of operating a truly Catholic church inside a city is often too great for the small group of believing and practicing Catholics who are not fooled by Conciliar catholic heresies and sacriliges to support.  Thus, traditional Catholic communities who must keep an arm's length away from Conciliar authorities must establish their chapels in the suburbs and away from the urban cities.

    I would stay away from the diocesan TLM also, for two reasons:

    1.  The fact that I consider the orders of most diocesan priests to be doubtful due to the changes in the Rite of Orders in the late 1960s; and

    2.  The fact that the Official policy of the Conciliar church is that the TLM is permitted only on the condition that the priests and the faithful cannot refuse the Novus Ordo as a matter of principle.  To attend even the diocesan TLM one makes public testimony that the Novus Ordo is holy and pleasing to God as a matter of principle whether one intends to do so or not.  I cannot do that and will not attend any traditional Mass that is offered through the diocese.

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    « Reply #25 on: October 22, 2011, 08:33:16 PM »
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    Santo- What do you think about "Assisi 3" on October 27? Do you think its an act of scandal and apostasy to pray with pagans?


    Read the news reports. There will be no inter religious prayer at Assisi III.


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    « Reply #26 on: October 22, 2011, 08:36:47 PM »
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  • Yet people of all religions will be there and their false religions will be respected...
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #27 on: October 22, 2011, 08:39:52 PM »
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    You have a diocesan TLM 15 minutes away and you choose to miss Mass altogether rather than going to it? How is this not schismatic?


    Someone who cavalierly overlooks the heretical words and apostate acts of the current "Pope," if not defending them outright, had better be real careful flinging around words like "schismatic."  As ye judge, so shall ye be judged.

    Because of the New rite of Consecration which I believe is invalid, but which is at the very least doubtful, the priests are all doubtful and Catholics should not attend their "Masses."  Catholics should not attend any Mass that is doubtful, that is my understanding.    


    A schismatic is one who refuses to recognize the authority of the Pope and/or refuses communion with him. Here we have, presumedly, a baptized Catholic choosing not to fulfill their Sunday obligation at all rather than attend a Diocesan TLM. How does this not fit the definition of schismatic?

    You have no more ability, much less authority, to pass judgment on the validity of an approved form of consecration than Luther had. Christ founded His Church precisely so that we would have certainty on these matters; not fumbling around like Prots trying to sort everything out ourselves. If the Church cannot be trusted to guarantee valid sacraments then it has failed.

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    « Reply #28 on: October 22, 2011, 08:42:45 PM »
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    Yet people of all religions will be there and their false religions will be respected...


    The individuals there and their free will and conscience will be respected. Their false religions will not be respected in the sense of revered or given special importance by the Catholic authorities. People of other faiths worshipping in their faith will be tolerated just as false religions have been tolerated by Catholic states through history.

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    « Reply #29 on: October 22, 2011, 08:48:47 PM »
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  • But the Church also teaches conversion. The Church has also never taught that we must respect people of other religions and their false relgions. As an example, look at the docuмents from the First Vatican Council:

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    If anyone says that
    all miracles are impossible, and that therefore
    all reports of them, even those contained in sacred scripture, are to be set aside as fables or myths; or that
    miracles can never be known with certainty,
    nor can the divine origin of the christian religion be proved from them:
    let him be anathema.


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    Therefore,
    if anyone says that
    blessed Peter the apostle was not appointed by Christ the lord as prince of all the apostles and visible head of the whole church militant; or that
    it was a primacy of honour only and not one of true and proper jurisdiction that he directly and immediately received from our lord Jesus Christ himself:
    let him be anathema.


    So we see that both atheists and Protestants are condemned. They need to be converted, not encouraged to remain in their error and sin.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.