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Mary Poppins: A Sweet Nanny or part of the Occult?
« on: July 03, 2010, 01:17:15 PM »
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  • It may sound ridiculous, but there really is a connection between Mary Poppins and the occult. This article from lhra.com explains why.

    "No, I’m not going crazy! There really is a connection between Mary Poppins and the occult.


    I learned about it when a friend called to say she had taken her children to see the new Mary Poppins Broadway play and found some of the stage imagery to be unsettling. It looked strange and ungodly.

    When she got home, she began to root around the internet for information and found out that the author of the Mary Poppins series, a woman named Pamela L. Travers, was very much into the occult, theosophy, Hinduism, Zen, etc. Although the Disney film (which Travers apparently hated) was clean, her books are quite dark and mixed with many occultic elements from magick to reincarnation, all of which came from her association with theosophy.

    Born Helen Lyndon Goff in Queensland, Australia in 1899, the author claims to have been able to read by the age of three. She grew up, changed her name to Pamela L. Travers and tried her hand at acting but was not successful. In 1924, she moved to London where she made a living reporting on theater events.
     
    It was here that she met the Irish intellectual, George William Russell, known as A. E. Russell, who was a follower of Madam Blavatsky and theosophy. (Theosophy, which has been condemned by the Church, is a modern version of gnosticism that blends pantheistic and occult beliefs.)

    Apparently, Russell believed he and Travers had met in a former life, and formed a friendship with her, helping her to expand her circle of friends to include occultists such as G. I. Gurdjieff and P.D. Ouspensky. He also introduced her to esoteric eastern religions and folklore, encouraging her to use her powers of fantasy to create stories.

    Not surprisingly, her first Mary Poppins book, published in 1934, contained many of the occultic ideas that had by now permeated her life. Far different from the clean and happy “Julie Andrews-type” Poppins that appeared in the Disney movie, Travers’ Poppins was a strict, ascerbic character who hated to be touched and was downright terrifying at times in the book.

    Helene Vachet of the Theosophical Society’s Quest Magazine clearly describes the theosophical meaning behind much of the symbolism and story of Mary Poppins.

    “Mary Poppins, one could say, resembles a guardian angel, demon, or cosmic being who comes from time to time to visit Earth,” Vachet writes.

    The sky and wind bringing Mary Poppins to Cherry Tree Lane refers to a “walker of the sky” described in theosophic writings as a siddhi, or spiritual power to which a yogi joins himself to “behold the things beyond the seas and stars” and to “hear the language of the devas”.
     
    Travers’ Mary Poppins is referred to in the books as the “Great Exception,” which Vachet says means that “she has gone beyond the evolution of humanity and her life now stands in contrast to those who have not yet reached this stage.”

    One can also find clear references to reincarnation in a scene involving a starling and the newborn Annabelle. When the bird asks where she came from, Annabelle says:

    “I am earth and air and fire and water . . .  I come from the Dark where all things have their beginnings. I come from the sea and its tides, I come from the sky and its stars . . . I remembered all I had been and I thought of all I shall be.”
     
    The zoo scene in the book is also filled with occultic imagery. In this episode, the animals run the zoo and all the people are in cages. The king of the animals is a huge hooded snake that Poppins calls “cousin.”

    The Disney version of the story was far different, much to Travers dismay. She was said to have been downright irascible throughout the filming and hated the final product. Among her many gripes was the fact that Bert the chimney-sweep had such a big role in the film, that the Cherry Tree Lane home was so opulent and that Mary Poppins “had a figure.” The 65 year-old Travers was said to have wept in despair when she first saw the film.

    As the New York Times described in a recent article, Travers was “plainly a little bonkers, self-consciously oblique, and had much of Poppins’s own astringency.” She was described as controlling, self-absorbed, sharp and intensely lonely.

    Travers also had a strange private life. She had a penchant for older men and conducted several long-term relationships with women which are referred to as being “ambiguous.”

    At the age of 39, she tried to adopt her teenage maid, offering to build the girl a room off of her study, ostensibly because she felt the girl’s parents had enough children. Both the family and the teen refused her offer.

    In 1939, she was successful in adopting one of the twin grandsons of A.E. Russell’s publisher and, according to her biographer, was allowed to pick the twin she liked best. This son, whom she named Camillus, grew up believing that his father had been killed in an accident and didn’t discover the truth until, at the age of 17, he ran into his twin brother in a pub.
     
    All the while, she continued to dabble in the occult, Sufism, Tao and Zen, and was a devoted disciple of Gurdjieff (co-inventor of the Enneagram) and even spent two summers in the U.S. living with the Navajo Indians. She passed away in 1996, having lived to the ripe old age of 96."

    Please give your thoughts after reading the article.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    Mary Poppins: A Sweet Nanny or part of the Occult?
    « Reply #1 on: July 03, 2010, 01:23:43 PM »
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  • Well, gee Spiritus, I went to see Mary Poppins at Radio City Music Hall when it first came out.  I even had a Mary Poppins doll.

    Maybe that's when all my troubles began..... :scared2:


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    Mary Poppins: A Sweet Nanny or part of the Occult?
    « Reply #2 on: July 03, 2010, 01:24:29 PM »
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  • Woops sorry I meant to put this in the Resistance Movement catagory. Hey Matthew, can you please move this to that part of the forums when you get a chance? Please no one post on this thread until it is moved. Thank you.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    Mary Poppins: A Sweet Nanny or part of the Occult?
    « Reply #3 on: July 03, 2010, 01:58:35 PM »
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  • I always thought that Mary Poppins was a very clean, and
    wholesome entertainment.
    Compared to movies made today, there is no
    comparison.
    You never see a movie like Mary Poppins made today.

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    Mary Poppins: A Sweet Nanny or part of the Occult?
    « Reply #4 on: July 03, 2010, 02:06:19 PM »
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  • I'll put my two cents in, for what it's worth, which is getting less and less each day.

    I can believe all that is said about the author.  I can believe all that is said about the film.  They are two different things.  I will quote Joseph again.  They meant it for evil but God meant it for good.  People can go to extremes, seeing good where evil is and seeing evil where good is.  I think what we see is who we are.
    +RIP
    Please pray for the repose of her soul.


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    Mary Poppins: A Sweet Nanny or part of the Occult?
    « Reply #5 on: July 03, 2010, 02:16:07 PM »
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  • I read every single one of the Mary Poppins series as a child.  

    The movie surprised me, because Mary Poppins was not at all kind.  We had a pretty large library at home, so I waded through a lot of material unsupervised.  

    The Theosophical influence does not surprise me at all when I recall how cruel and cross Poppins always was, and how there was never any emotional satisfaction.

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    Mary Poppins: A Sweet Nanny or part of the Occult?
    « Reply #6 on: July 03, 2010, 02:47:09 PM »
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  • The vast majority of 20th century entertainment is occult.  The vast majority of all entertainment has probably always been, if not occult, dangerous to Catholics.  The Catholic Church has had a very uneasy relationship with literature and opera and theater.  

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    As the New York Times described in a recent article, Travers was “plainly a little bonkers, self-consciously oblique, and had much of Poppins’s own astringency.” She was described as controlling, self-absorbed, sharp and intensely lonely.


    Yep, sounds like the classic bluestocking ( female artist/intellectual ) personality, the Emily Dickinson personality.  I used to be fascinated with Emily Dickinson when I was an "artist," but I remember being disappointed in one biography I read where she came off like she had major NPD.  

    I had never thought about Mary Poppins, nor did I see it when I was a kid.  But, except that it doesn't sound like she could be pleased with anything in life, I don't see how the author wasn't pleased with Julie Andrews.  JA is ideal to portray that self-obsessed, prim "butter wouldn't melt in her mouth."  Sort of like a bad Virgin Mary -- virginal but narcissistic and cold.  
    A heartless Puritan, basically.  

    Julie Andrews makes my skin crawl.  You can feel this hidden meanness underneath the sweet exterior.  Probably the most laughable screen romance in film history is Julie Andrews and Rock Hudson in Darling Lili, I remember seeing that once.  This is long past the point when Rock Hudson cared to portray a convincing heterosɛҳuąƖ.  He looked like he just wandered on-set drunk.  The ice-queen and the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ -- I'm telling you, Hollywood does this on purpose.  I don't want to get into modern rumors but it's still the same.  Seeing unnatural or strange actors on screen does something to the mind, it makes you think abnormal people are normal, it flips reality.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    Mary Poppins: A Sweet Nanny or part of the Occult?
    « Reply #7 on: July 03, 2010, 03:09:21 PM »
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  • I was referring to the movie. Never read the books.


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    Mary Poppins: A Sweet Nanny or part of the Occult?
    « Reply #8 on: July 03, 2010, 03:21:10 PM »
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  • Don't feel bad, RomanCatholic1953, nobody has read them, nobody would even want to read them; they are truly depressing.  Travers probably only got published because her friend was a mason or something.

    I also read every single one of the Doctor Doolittle series...wonder if Hugh Lofting was a warlock?  I hope not!  We had all of the children's library from my father's family, and I was forbidden to watch TV.


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    Mary Poppins: A Sweet Nanny or part of the Occult?
    « Reply #9 on: July 03, 2010, 03:30:39 PM »
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  • http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_B6J6nGs6VwA/SOemkZlMTRI/AAAAAAAAINI/ZZINHKyfyLA/s400/Mary+Poppins+via+starpulsecom.jpg

    People will think I'm nuts, if they don't already, but in the occult, "London" or "England" stands for the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, referring to the fact that England was the first country to overthrow the Catholic established order.  London is the hub of the NWO.  So the image of Mary Poppins, an English nanny, floating around with a black umbrella is definitely occult, but not in a Theosophist way.  She simply IS Satan, ha ha.  She's probably also a version of Elizabeth Tudor spreading her wings over the world, establishing her occult imperium.

    The movie is Disney, too...  So why are we even arguing?  It's definitely Satanic.  The devil portrays himself in various ways in various works of art, and Disney has never met a devil-figure it didn't like, whether it was the Mad Hatter or Captain Eo or Beast from Beauty and the Beast.  Mary is another one of these here, blasphemously given the name of Our Lady.

    Each of these characters represents a different facet of the devil's personality, from mercurial madman ( Mad Hatter ) to boys' adventure hero ( Eo ) to noble, ruined prince fallen from grace ( Beast ).  I would say he is portraying himself in Mary Poppins as a highly efficient high-fashion nanny who is putting the world in order HIS WAY, which is really disorder.

    The disorder-through-order, order out of chaos theme is in the books, from what I've just read. They are part of the bad old English tradition of psychedelia, whether it's Alice in Wonderland or the Beatles.  Pay attention to the Alice reference, the tea party:

    Wikipedia --
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    "Mary Poppins Comes Back, published 1935

    Nothing has been right since Mary Poppins left Number Seventeen Cherry Tree Lane. One day, when Mrs. Banks sends the children out to the park, Michael flies his kite up into the clouds. Everyone is surprised when it comes down bringing Mary Poppins as a passenger, who returns to the Banks home and takes charge of the children once again. This time, Jane and Michael meet the fearsome Ms. Andrew, experience an upside-down tea party, and visit a circus in the sky. There is also a new addition to the Banks family with little Annabel. As in Mary Poppins, Mary leaves at the end, but this time with a "return ticket, just in case" she needs to return.


    I'll be waiting with my Gatling gun, Poppins.

    Look how Mary Poppins is efficient and all business yet everything around her is insane, upside-down, etc.  That's the paradox of the devil, how he efficiently and coldly and intelligently goes about his business of making everything stupid and random, in order to reap the most souls.  The devil is not stupid, and not insane, he is simply pure arrogance and rebellion.  But he wants to make everyone else insane by making them break all the rules and live like wild animals.

    So think of it this way -- the kids are living a boring Catholic life, persevering and bearing their crosses. But then that fun devil comes and livens things up by taking them onto a yellow submarine or whatever.  This is the usual junk kids are peddled.  Anti-responsibility, world-loving messages.

    Odd too that the "evil" character has almost the same name as the actress who later played Mary Poppins...  Not a conspiracy, this one, just odd!
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    Mary Poppins: A Sweet Nanny or part of the Occult?
    « Reply #10 on: July 03, 2010, 03:32:37 PM »
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  • Oh, and how could I forget the NUMBER SEVENTEEN, once again, as with Fatima.  It would take me too long to get into that number and how often it crops up in occult Hollywood and rock music.  

    I'm not saying seventeen is bad, by the way.  I was born on the 17th.  Satan is the ape of God and imitates his use of numbers. The question is, when is it God and when is it His ape?
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    Mary Poppins: A Sweet Nanny or part of the Occult?
    « Reply #11 on: July 03, 2010, 03:35:46 PM »
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  • How about Peter Pan?

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    Mary Poppins: A Sweet Nanny or part of the Occult?
    « Reply #12 on: July 03, 2010, 07:42:40 PM »
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  • And how has number 17 to do with Fatima ?

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    Mary Poppins: A Sweet Nanny or part of the Occult?
    « Reply #13 on: July 03, 2010, 11:39:22 PM »
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  • This trailer will settle all doubts about Mary Poppins... LOL


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    Mary Poppins: A Sweet Nanny or part of the Occult?
    « Reply #14 on: July 04, 2010, 08:14:32 AM »
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  • If a non-catholic is reading this thread, it is no wonder people stay away from the Catholic religion and some laugh at us.  

    Scruple Beware of:
    An unfounded apprehension and consequently unwarranted fear that something is a sin which, as a matter of fact, is not. It is not considered here so much as an isolated act, but rather as an habitual state of mind known to directors of souls as a "scrupulous conscience." St. Alphonsus describes it as a condition in which one influenced by trifling reasons, and without any solid foundation, is often afraid that sin lies where it really does not. This anxiety may be entertained not only with regard to what is to be done presently, but also with regard to what has been done. The idea sometimes obtaining, that scrupulosity is in itself a spiritual benefit of some sort, is, of course, a great error. The providence of God permits it and can gather good from it as from other forms of evil. That apart, however, it is a bad habit doing harm, sometimes grievously, to body and soul. Indeed, persisted in with the obstinacy characteristic of persons who suffer from this malady, it may entail the most lamentable consequences. The judgment is seriously warped, the moral power tired out in futile combat, and then not unfrequently the scrupulous person makes shipwreck of salvation either on the Scylla of despair or the Charybdis of unheeding indulgence in vice.
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