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Offline poche

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Marriage of couples Living in Sin
« on: September 14, 2014, 11:57:23 PM »
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  • A single mother, people who have been married before and couples who have been living together "in sin" were married by Pope Francis in a taboo-challenging ceremony at the Vatican on Sunday.

    In another signal of the openness of his papacy, Francis asked to marry 40 people from different social backgrounds who would be a realistic sample of modern couples.

    Popes very rarely perform marriages -- the last one was in 2000.

    Marriage "is not an easy road, it's sometimes a contentious trip, but that's life", the pope told the couples, both young and old, as their families gathered for the solemn two-hour ceremony.

    "It's normal that couples fight. That always happens, but don't end the day without making peace, even a small gesture is enough," said the pontiff, who donned a red robe for the occasion rather than his usual white.

    One of the couples he married was single mother Gabriella and her partner Guido, whose previous marriage was annulled by an ecclesiastical tribunal.

    The last time a pope performed a marriage was under the leadership of John Paul II in 2000, and before that in 1994.

    It comes three weeks before a major synod of the Catholc Church will discuss the divisive issues of marriage, divorce and conception.

    The church ban on allowing divorcees who have remarried to receive communion is one of the key topics up for debate, and resolving deep divisions over the issue inside the church is seen as a key test of Francis' leadership.

    Francis has shown himself more open than his predecessors on the subject of marriage, and has spoken of more realistic attitude to social problems, raising the issue of broken marriages and abandoned women.

    Last January he baptised the child of a single mother in the Sistine Chapel along with the daughter of a couple who had not been married in a church.

    http://news.yahoo.com/pope-breaks-taboo-marrying-couples-lived-sin-132002306.html


    Offline Emitte Lucem Tuam

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    Marriage of couples Living in Sin
    « Reply #1 on: September 15, 2014, 04:24:56 PM »
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  • My faith falls on the Holy Gospel to respond to this post by Poche -  
    Listen to what our Saviour COMMANDED and what Holy Church has ALWAYS taught about Holy Matrimony.  There is no "ambiguity" or "wiggle room" or "being compassionate and inclusive" here.  Our Saviour was EXPLICIT in his COMMAND about Holy Matrimony and explicitly EXCLUSIONARY.  You can't reason or "compassionate" your way out of what Christ COMMANDED.


    Christ declares matrimony to be indissoluble: he recommends the making one's self an eunuch for the kingdom of heaven; and parting with all things for him. He shews the danger of riches, and the reward of leaving all to follow him.

    And it came to pass when Jesus had ended these words, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judea, beyond Jordan.  And great multitudes followed him: and he healed them there.  And there came to him the Pharisees tempting him, and saying: Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?   Who answering, said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, Made them male and female? And he said: For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they two shall be in one flesh.

    Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.  They say to him: Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorce, and to put away?  He saith to them: Because Moses by reason of the hardness of your heart permitted you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.  And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery. His disciples say unto him: If the case of a man with his wife be so, it is not expedient to marry.

    Except it be: In the case of fornication, that is, of adultery, the wife may be put away: but even then the husband cannot marry another as long as the wife is living.


    Who said to them: All men take not this word, but they to whom it is given.  For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother' s womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it.




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    « Reply #2 on: September 15, 2014, 11:22:38 PM »
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  • Quote from: Emitte Lucem Tuam
    My faith falls on the Holy Gospel to respond to this post by Poche -  
    Listen to what our Saviour COMMANDED and what Holy Church has ALWAYS taught about Holy Matrimony.  There is no "ambiguity" or "wiggle room" or "being compassionate and inclusive" here.  Our Saviour was EXPLICIT in his COMMAND about Holy Matrimony and explicitly EXCLUSIONARY.  You can't reason or "compassionate" your way out of what Christ COMMANDED.


    Christ declares matrimony to be indissoluble: he recommends the making one's self an eunuch for the kingdom of heaven; and parting with all things for him. He shews the danger of riches, and the reward of leaving all to follow him.

    And it came to pass when Jesus had ended these words, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judea, beyond Jordan.  And great multitudes followed him: and he healed them there.  And there came to him the Pharisees tempting him, and saying: Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?   Who answering, said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, Made them male and female? And he said: For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they two shall be in one flesh.

    Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.  They say to him: Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorce, and to put away?  He saith to them: Because Moses by reason of the hardness of your heart permitted you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.  And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery. His disciples say unto him: If the case of a man with his wife be so, it is not expedient to marry.

    Except it be: In the case of fornication, that is, of adultery, the wife may be put away: but even then the husband cannot marry another as long as the wife is living.


    Who said to them: All men take not this word, but they to whom it is given.  For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother' s womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it.




    It looks like the Pope agrees with you on this one. That is why he married all those couples. That way they won't be living in sin.
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    « Reply #3 on: September 16, 2014, 01:58:01 AM »
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  • ELT, you need to read the article before commenting on it.  Poche is very annoying though I will grant you.  My strategy is to ignore his posts.  If everyone did that he would drift off to Catholic Answers.

    Most of the couples had not been married before.  I think one couple had a man or woman in who had an annulment from the Church.

    So while I accept that this is the typical "masturbation with ambiguity" that the modern Vatican is constantly occupying itself with, it has little or nothing to do with adultery, divorce and remarriage.