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Offline poche

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« on: November 18, 2014, 01:20:02 AM »
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  • Pope Francis reflected on sɛҳuąƖ complementarity within marriage in an address to a conference sponsored by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

    The “complementarity of man and woman” is “at the root of marriage and family, which is the first school where we learn to appreciate our own and others’ gifts, and where we begin to acquire the arts of living together,” he said in his November 17 address.

    “When we speak of complementarity between man and woman in this context, let us not confuse that term with the simplistic idea that all the roles and relations of the two sexes are fixed in a single, static pattern,” he continued.

    “Complementarity will take many forms as each man and woman brings his or her distinctive contributions to their marriage and to the formation of their children -- his or her personal richness, personal charisma.”

    Noting that “marriage and the family are in crisis,” Pope Francis lamented the “culture of the temporary, in which more and more people are simply giving up on marriage as a public commitment. This revolution in manners and morals has often flown the flag of freedom, but in fact it has brought spiritual and material devastation to countless human beings, especially the poorest and most vulnerable.”

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    I urge you to lift up yet another truth about marriage: that permanent commitment to solidarity, fidelity, and fruitful love responds to the deepest longings of the human heart. Let us bear in mind especially the young people, who represent our future. It is important that they do not give themselves over to the poisonous mentality of the temporary, but rather be revolutionaries with the courage to seek true and lasting love, going against the common pattern: this must be done.

    With regard to this I want to say one thing: Let us not fall into the trap of being qualified by ideological concepts. Family is an anthropological fact - a socially and culturally related fact. We cannot qualify it with concepts of an ideological nature, that are relevant only in a single moment of history, and then pass by. We can't speak today of a conservative notion of family or a progressive notion of family: Family is family! It can't be qualified by ideological notions.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=23249


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    « Reply #1 on: November 18, 2014, 02:05:50 AM »
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  • Jesus in His own words tells us that marriage is between man and woman.
    May God bless you and keep you


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    « Reply #2 on: November 18, 2014, 03:26:43 AM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    Jesus in His own words tells us that marriage is between man and woman.

    Adam and Eve could tell you that also.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 18, 2014, 04:03:21 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    Pope Francis reflected on sɛҳuąƖ complementarity within marriage in an address to a conference sponsored by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

    The “complementarity of man and woman” is “at the root of marriage and family, which is the first school where we learn to appreciate our own and others’ gifts, and where we begin to acquire the arts of living together,” he said in his November 17 address.

    “When we speak of complementarity between man and woman in this context, let us not confuse that term with the simplistic idea that all the roles and relations of the two sexes are fixed in a single, static pattern,” he continued.

    “Complementarity will take many forms as each man and woman brings his or her distinctive contributions to their marriage and to the formation of their children -- his or her personal richness, personal charisma.”

    Noting that “marriage and the family are in crisis,” Pope Francis lamented the “culture of the temporary, in which more and more people are simply giving up on marriage as a public commitment. This revolution in manners and morals has often flown the flag of freedom, but in fact it has brought spiritual and material devastation to countless human beings, especially the poorest and most vulnerable.”

    He added:


    I urge you to lift up yet another truth about marriage: that permanent commitment to solidarity, fidelity, and fruitful love responds to the deepest longings of the human heart. Let us bear in mind especially the young people, who represent our future. It is important that they do not give themselves over to the poisonous mentality of the temporary, but rather be revolutionaries with the courage to seek true and lasting love, going against the common pattern: this must be done.

    With regard to this I want to say one thing: Let us not fall into the trap of being qualified by ideological concepts. Family is an anthropological fact - a socially and culturally related fact. We cannot qualify it with concepts of an ideological nature, that are relevant only in a single moment of history, and then pass by. We can't speak today of a conservative notion of family or a progressive notion of family: Family is family! It can't be qualified by ideological notions.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=23249


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    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 18, 2014, 11:45:57 AM »
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  • Francis starts by emphasizing the "complimentarity" of the sexes (OK, a Catholic starting point) but then quickly dismisses any kind of rigid or static complimentarity so that any differences, such as the more active or passive between a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ couple, could also fulfill the conditions of "complimentarity".  Typical modernist crappola; you start with a Catholic concept and water it down and redefine it so that you can make it mean anything you want it to mean.



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    « Reply #5 on: November 18, 2014, 01:18:13 PM »
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  • Complementarianism....

    ???

    I think we should just dismiss it all as jibberish.

    Modernism is so alive in Pope Francis, or at least sure seems to be.  Everything he speaks of is as if it were a spark in us that we must extinguish or nourish.  It is all from within.  That's what Pope St Pius X told us about the modernists that they see everything as an extension of the person.

    Today's youth who are in the novus ordo and in the world at large (these two categories overlap almost entirely) need to hear the Catholic Truth.  

    They won't get any inspiration from the Novus Ordo.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 18, 2014, 10:49:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Francis starts by emphasizing the "complimentarity" of the sexes (OK, a Catholic starting point) but then quickly dismisses any kind of rigid or static complimentarity so that any differences, such as the more active or passive between a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ couple, could also fulfill the conditions of "complimentarity".  Typical modernist crappola; you start with a Catholic concept and water it down and redefine it so that you can make it mean anything you want it to mean.


    The wiord is complementarity. Whie it is not a frozen complementarity, it is a complementarity that explicitly excludes ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ relationships.  

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    « Reply #7 on: November 19, 2014, 01:25:36 AM »
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  • Pope Francis caused some confusion and disappointment on Monday for those who been holding out hope regarding his stance on same-sex marriage and LGBT equality. That’s when, during a speech at the Complementarity of Man and Woman conference in Rome, the Pope made the following declaration to a room packed with religious leaders: “Children have a right to grow up in a family with a father and a mother.”

    However, at the end of his speech, the pope announced plans to make his first visit to the United States in September, where he will attend Philadelphia’s World Meeting of the Families. That Catholic conference, held to strengthen family units worldwide, will ironically host many gαy and lesbian families.

    Although the pope has always maintained that “matrimony is between a man and woman,” and has stated his opposition to same-sex adoption (even being “shocked” by the notion, according to a local paper in Malta), LGBT activists have maintained hope regarding his opinions: He has indicated that he would support some civil unions in the event that one partner needed medical care, for example, and has warned against the church becoming “obsessed” with gαy issues.

    “On the one hand, Pope Francis is a hopeful pope — he doesn’t come from Vatican bureaucracy, he entered priesthood later than most men, he’s grounded in his ministry, and seems comfortable discussing gαy issues,” Marianne Duddy-Burke, executive director of Dignity USA, an organization for LGBT Catholics, tells Yahoo Parenting. “It’s hard to put a traditional label on him. However, he is not as focused on social issues, such as abortion, gαy rights, and contraception, and that’s not in line with how the world is evolving.”

    Regardless, the media erupted with speculation about whether Monday’s remarks indicated that the pope was supporting traditional families or simply emphasizing their primary place in society.

    Pope Francis, who has been dubbed the “cool pope,” already has a history of causing a stir. Back in January during a service at the Sistine Chapel, he encouraged all mothers to breastfeed in public — even in church— saying of babies, “If they are hungry, mothers, let them eat, no worries, because here, they are the main focus.” He’s also acknowledged the importance of female religious leaders, saying that the church should “investigate further the role of women” and that “the feminine genius is needed wherever we make important decisions.”

    And despite his seemingly rockstar image — the former nightclub bouncer has nearly 5 million Twitter followers and, in 2013, Time magazine named him “Person of the Year” — Pope Francis leads a simple life. He resides in the Vatican guesthouse instead of a fancy papal apartment, and he drives a 1984 Renault instead of using a chauffeur. Earlier this week, it was announced that three showers for homeless people would be installed in public restrooms in Vatican City. And the pope recently made headlines for inviting “Godmother of Punk” Patti Smith to perform at the official Vatican Christmas Concert in December — and she accepted.

    Cardinal Francis George of Chicago, who is retiring due to his cancer diagnosis, acknowledged on Monday that the pope has a history of creating confusion about his opinions. “Does he not realize the repercussions? Perhaps he doesn’t,” Cardinal George told the Catholic website the Crux. “I don’t know whether he’s conscious of all the consequences of some of the things he’s said and done that raise doubts in people’s minds.”

    Duddy-Burke agrees. “No one really knows the Pope’s stance on gαy marriage,” she says. “It’s disappointing and confusing, however unfortunately consistent with what we’ve been hearing from the Vatican for the past 30 years.”

    https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/the-pope-says-kids-need-both-mom-and-dad-102977672772.html

    How many times does Pope Francis have to say, "Marriage is between one man and one woman for people to understand the Pope's stance on "gαy" marriage?