I fail to see how "Neo-Catholic" is a useless pejorative and not a descriptive term. It means "New Catholic" which is exactly what they are. "Rad Trad" on the other hand is precisely a useless pejorative with little or no descriptive utility.

The gist of Shea's philosophy is that if you go to the "EF" but are a-ok with the Conciliar destruction of the past 50 years and the NO Mass which has facilitated it, you are "ok". BUT, however, if you should so dare as to speak the truth out of charity to souls that the NO Mass is a watered down Protestantized rite that leads to apostasy and that they should find the true Mass YOU, my friend are anathematized. At least according to Pope Shea.

It is typical that he has a complete moral blindness in his inability to distinguish between progressive heretics, etc. and those Traditionalists whose sole crime is wanting to remain faithful to the Church's own Tradition. The progressives dissent. Traditionalists do not dissent. They follow the Catholic Faith and reject that which leads to a loss of that Faith.


http://markshea.blogspot.com/2010/01/okay-then-smart-guy.html

Wednesday, January 06, 2010

"Okay then, smart guy...

if you think "neo-Catholic" is a useless pejorative, why do you use the term "Rad Trad" sometimes?"

Because I don't think it a useless pejorative but a descriptive term. In my book, a person earns the term "Rad Trad" when they violate Romans 14 and start reducing their pet form of Traditionalist piety to the sum total of the Catholic Faith.

Understand this: I have no. problem. whatsoever with Traditionalist piety. My son frequents the Extraordinary Form and we have numerous dear friends who do as well. They are not Rad Trads. Why? Because they do not talk and act as though brother and sister Catholics who are docile to the Church, frequent the sacraments, and practice charity are half-breeds, fifth columnists, and contemptible quasi-Catholics if they do not attend the EF. In my experience, most Traditionalists I know in real life do not do this at all, while a disproportionately large number of on-line Trads (though still not all) *do* talk this way.

It's really that simple. The Church is a garden of a million flowers and I say "Let 'em all grow". But the moment one flower starts insisting that all the other flowers, despite their docility to and love of the Church "aren't really Catholic flowers because they aren't like me" is the moment I call foul.

It's one thing to criticize real dissent against the teaching of the Church. It's quite another to say that because somebody "sounds Protestant" in the way they talk, or is vehemently suspect of not loathing the Second Vatican Council, they are not "really" Catholic. I am as opposed to Reactionary Dissent from the Church as I am to Progressive Dissent. The Lefty who does not dissent and reduce the Faith to her particular preoccupations (a model of this admirable quality is, for instance, Dorothy Day) is just one more flower of the Church in my book. Likewise, the Traditionalist who does not reduce the Faith to his particular approach to it is fine by me. That also goes, by the way, for the Evangelical convert who does not insist that all Catholics everywhere have to knuckle under to his logocentrism, his particular conservative political enthusiasms, and his deep need to articulate everything in propositional form. So long as he doesn't bind all Catholics to his particular culture and piety, he's good to go. As Romans 14 puts it, all these do what to do out of love for the Lord. But whenever some subculture or piety demands that the whole Faith be reduced to itself, I recoil: be it the Apologetics Subculture, Rad Trads, or Lefty Social Gospellers.

I get threatened with the labels "rad trad" and "holier than the Pope" all the time by people I know, and even some close friends.

Doesn't bother me... I've told them the evidence to the best I can...

I hope you respond... "Ya, I probably am!"

Mark Shea is a bad person, wolf in sheeps clothing who uses his inflammatory rhetoric against "rad trads" to get more speaking engagements and books and so forth purchased by the lame Novus Ordo bunch who actually think they are Neo-cons, if I recall during the Iraq war all he did was rant against Bush and torture.

He is so empty as an Apologist whenever I would try and engage him in a discussion once I used any docuмents or church teaching pre Vatican II he would call me a rad trad and then ban me and then bash me so that I could not respond. He is a weak hearted man who like so many so called Neo cons in the NO church (What happened for Father John Corapi on EWTN, boy he had me fooled as well, used to listen to him at 10Pm on Saturdays!), they are all corrupt and after a fast $$

Would love to see him in a debate against a Traditional priest or even anyone on this blog, when he gets cornered he results to name calling, and then like a little baby says "this is my blog and I can ban and erase anything I want!"

But he continues to write on so called neo-con blogs other than his own and they buy into his garbage, he is a former Protestant who fits perfect into the world like the Scott Hahn's and other "former" Protestants

Mark Shea is giving retreats!?

 :surprised:

Lord help us!