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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Belloc on October 02, 2009, 02:15:15 PM
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Most so called Marian apparitions in our century that acknowledge Vatican II, the new mass and the current antipope have even been condemned by Vatican II it self. So horrible have them been and so bad that even the apostate church condemns them. And all of these apparitions have contained clear heresy, such as medjugorje and bayside among others.
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This has been dealt with before (in the FE archived thread for one). As far as whether or not it "seems" to indicate this or that, I will counter by saying it does not seem to do anything of the kind.
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Akita is an approved apparition. It is essentially the same message as Fatima.
It is a true apparition.
Excellent post, Belloc.
Why didn't Our Lady mention the vacant See to Lucy if that was the case? And why did she insist that the Pope/Bishops consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart if there were no Pope?
See, the Sedes can often be so blind, they throw out rock-solid apparitions such as Fatima (as well as Catholic dogmas) before questioning sedevacantism. Much like Protestant religions. They would never question that they are in the wrong -- they just change doctrine, even the Bible itself, to keep things moving along smoothly in their sect.
Matthew
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I like your post, Belloc, but your post about Sedevacantism CLEARLY belongs in the Crisis forum.
Don't put things in General Discussion just because you want "everyone to actually read them, instead of having my post ignored." Trust me, those who WANT to read it will read it. Those who aren't interested won't be forced to sift through your post. They aren't going to read it anyhow. It just gets in their way.
Matthew
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Excellent post, Belloc.
It is average, at best, Matthew. The people I discussed this with at FE made the same points and more, and made them more clearly.
And why did she insist that the Pope/Bishops consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart if there were no Pope?
A lot of good your "Popes" have done in that regard, eh?
Considering that there is a need to have a Pontiff and Bishops at the moment of the consecration, not necessarily at every moment before and/or after, the rather glaring failure of the V2 Popes on this front (all post-1960, btw) could arguably be looked upon more as a strike against their legitimacy than in favor thereof.
See, the Sedes can often be so blind, they throw out rock-solid apparitions such as Fatima (as well as Catholic dogmas) before questioning sedevacantism.
Which, as we know, is SO common among those who dispute the legitimacy of the V2 Popes.
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I like your post, Belloc, but your post about Sedevacantism CLEARLY belongs in the Crisis forum.
Don't put things in General Discussion just because you want "everyone to actually read them, instead of having my post ignored." Trust me, those who WANT to read it will read it. Those who aren't interested won't be forced to sift through your post. They aren't going to read it anyhow. It just gets in their way.
Matthew
sorry about the wrong section posting , Matthew...
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This has been dealt with before (in the FE archived thread for one). As far as whether or not it "seems" to indicate this or that, I will counter by saying it does not seem to do anything of the kind.
a non-answer, though nicely done... :applause:
why did Mary not say anything....also, why did she not say "hey, consecrate the world in 1960, but then again, you will have no Pope to do it" or something like that???
alot of stuff about apostasy, but the only vacant chair I see is during the violent crisis just before the Chastisemtn and/or tribulation.....do not see any Pope heading to Cologne or "over the sea"....nor the massive violence to engulf Europe....yet.....plenty of prophecy then to back up a Pope to die and vacant seat....not before.....
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soo.......no "what what" for me, no "raise the roof" stuff :ready-to-eat:
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a non-answer, though nicely done... :applause:
Considering your appeal to someone in another thread to consider that you work full-time, etc., I find this response a bit absurd.
I have responded more about this stuff that you likely know. I MAY get to it again here, but I may not. If you want to take that as evasion, go ahead. My days do not have any more hours than your own.
Mary didn't say "Consecrate the world IN 1960", Belloc.
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Considering that there is a need to have a Pontiff and Bishops at the moment of the consecration, not necessarily at every moment before and/or after, the rather glaring failure of the V2 Popes on this front (all post-1960, btw) could arguably be looked upon more as a strike against their legitimacy than in favor thereof. .
huh?
again, why consecrate in 1960 if no Pope..did Mary not know? lie? She said consecrate in 1960.....there had to be a Pope then at some point...Pius XII was dead 2 yrs.....soo?
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She said consecrate in 1960...
Please show us the quote wherein she said any such thing, Belloc.
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a non-answer, though nicely done... :applause:
Considering your appeal to someone in another thread to consider that you work full-time, etc., I find this response a bit absurd.
still a non-answer, and here you still are responding....yet minutes later.....me on other hand , shutting down and off...........office lights going out and all....
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Btw, you will not find one. Your behavior in this thread is NOT an inducement to spend any time responding in any kind of detail. The fact that you do not even know what the Blessed Virgin said is not encouraging, either.
Hyper-down, dial down the presumptive arrogance knob, and we MAY proceed in a way that could be fruitful for all.
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still a non-answer, and here you still are responding....yet minutes later.....me on other hand , shutting down and off...........office lights going out and all....
While you may THINK this makes you look smart, you are mistaken. The only reason I have given you anything further is your arrogance needs to be exposed more than you need or deserve a response about your initial points.
You do not even know what Our Lady said, you dope! HeL-Lo-O, McFly!!!
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She said consecrate in 1960...
Please show us the quote wherein she said any such thing, Belloc.
Jackass. :cowboy:
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The third secret was to be revealed no later than 1960.
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The third secret was to be revealed no later than 1960.
Indeed. Belloc thanks you for saving him the embarrassment of having to post that.
Now, Belloc, my hopefully-more-mellow friend, would you care to discuss your original idea in a calm, respectable manner, or would you like to hastily post something that will, unbeknown to you, likely contain more ammunition for my weapons?
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Kids these days.
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Most so called Marian apparitions in our century that acknowledge Vatican II, the new mass and the current antipope have even been condemned by Vatican II it self. So horrible have them been and so bad that even the apostate church condemns them. And all of these apparitions have contained clear heresy, such as medjugorje and bayside among others.
If you want to go to private revelations to backup your preconceived notions how about going to one's approved by the Church. You know, Lourdes, Fatima, La Sallete:
"Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the anti-Christ."
Akita is not approved by the Church .
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The devil tells lies with many truths as he did in 1973 when no valid pope could approve it. Tell some truth and kind of add in, "pray for the pope" and all the fools will be duped as this blog proves.
If an apparition contradicts doctrine it ain't from Mary.
Where in Trent, Denzinger or any official teaching does it say a heretic can be Pope?
More does not say this either. You are grasping at straws.
If you prefer false apparitions approved by heretics over Catholic Doctrine I can only hope you change before you die.
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The devil tells lies with many truths as he did in 1973 when no valid pope could approve it. Tell some truth and kind of add in, "pray for the pope" and all the fools will be duped as this blog proves.
If an apparition contradicts doctrine it ain't from Mary.
Where in Trent, Denzinger or any official teaching does it say a heretic can be Pope?
More does not say this either. You are grasping at straws.
If you prefer false apparitions approved by heretics over Catholic Doctrine I can only hope you change before you die.
Mary does not say this either. I'm pretty sure Saint Thomas More didn't either but I meant to say Mary rather than More.
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I agree with LoT's last statement, which is why I hold that Lourdes and La Salette are legit. Not Fatima.
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I agree with LoT's last statement, which is why I hold that Lourdes and La Salette are legit. Not Fatima.
Whoops, I meant this one:
If you prefer false apparitions approved by heretics over Catholic Doctrine I can only hope you change before you die.
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Akita is not approved by the Church .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Akita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Akita)
During a Sunday Mass in 1982, the story goes that Sister Agnes was totally cured from her deafness. Bishop John Shojiro Ito of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Niigata who had been an eyewitness to some of the events at Akita initially approved the apparition in 1984. In 1988 he went to Rome to consult with Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (who later became Pope Benedict XVI). As the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith Cardinal Ratzinger formally approved Our Lady of Akita as supernatural and worthy of belief.
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The heretic, Father Ratzinger, who "approved" Akita, also lied his something off about the 3rd secret of Fatima. Are you familiar to his lies on this topic? He said it referred to JPII getting wounded.
Also, what happened since 1960 that could have been prevented if valid pope, in union with all the bishops, consecrated Russia to the Immacualate Heart of Mary?
How about the great apostacy that we are living through, V2 and their antipopes. Funny how the anti-popes want to keep that quiet and then finally, because they could not avoid the topic any longer without even looking more foolish, come out with a lie about the 3rd secret to finally get it out of their hair once and for all.
Open your eyes. The truth might hurt, but it will set you free from the anti-church headed by your anti-popes.
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As the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith Cardinal Ratzinger formally approved Our Lady of Akita as supernatural and worthy of belief.
Which means a lot to a sede...
He also lied through his teeth about the Third Part of the Secret from Fatima, which he and others in scarlet strove to minimize as much as possible.
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She said consecrate in 1960...
Please show us the quote wherein she said any such thing, Belloc.
Jackass. :cowboy:
Hey, Belloc. Where ya been, mate?