Author Topic: Marian Apparitions seem to deny Sede (Read 2702 times)

ProphecyFilm · « **Reply #1 on:** October 02, 2009, 02:56:26 PM »

Most so called Marian apparitions in our century that acknowledge Vatican II, the new mass and the current antipope have even been condemned by Vatican II it self. So horrible have them been and so bad that even the apostate church condemns them. And all of these apparitions have contained clear heresy, such as medjugorje and bayside among others.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #2 on:** October 02, 2009, 03:04:39 PM »

This has been dealt with before (in the FE archived thread for one). As far as whether or not it "seems" to indicate this or that, I will counter by saying it does not seem to do anything of the kind.

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** October 02, 2009, 03:04:40 PM »

Akita is an approved apparition. It is essentially the same message as Fatima.

It is a true apparition.

Excellent post, Belloc.

Why didn't Our Lady mention the vacant See to Lucy if that was the case? And why did she insist that the Pope/Bishops consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart if there were no Pope?

See, the Sedes can often be so blind, they throw out rock-solid apparitions such as Fatima (as well as Catholic dogmas) before questioning sedevacantism. Much like Protestant religions. They would never question that they are in the wrong -- they just change doctrine, even the Bible itself, to keep things moving along smoothly in their sect.

Matthew

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** October 02, 2009, 03:07:10 PM »

I like your post, Belloc, but your post about Sedevacantism CLEARLY belongs in the Crisis forum.

Don't put things in General Discussion just because you want "everyone to actually read them, instead of having my post ignored." Trust me, those who WANT to read it will read it. Those who aren't interested won't be forced to sift through your post. They aren't going to read it anyhow. It just gets in their way.

Matthew

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #5 on:** October 02, 2009, 03:11:11 PM »

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Excellent post, Belloc.

It is average, at best, Matthew. The people I discussed this with at FE made the same points and more, and made them more clearly.

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And why did she insist that the Pope/Bishops consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart if there were no Pope?

A lot of good your "Popes" have done in that regard, eh?

Considering that there is a need to have a Pontiff and Bishops at the moment of the consecration, not necessarily at every moment before and/or after, the rather glaring failure of the V2 Popes on this front (all post-1960, btw) could arguably be looked upon more as a strike against their legitimacy than in favor thereof.

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See, the Sedes can often be so blind, they throw out rock-solid apparitions such as Fatima (as well as Catholic dogmas) before questioning sedevacantism.

Which, as we know, is SO common among those who dispute the legitimacy of the V2 Popes.

Belloc · « **Reply #6 on:** October 02, 2009, 03:12:31 PM »

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I like your post, Belloc, but your post about Sedevacantism CLEARLY belongs in the Crisis forum.

Don't put things in General Discussion just because you want "everyone to actually read them, instead of having my post ignored." Trust me, those who WANT to read it will read it. Those who aren't interested won't be forced to sift through your post. They aren't going to read it anyhow. It just gets in their way.

Matthew

sorry about the wrong section posting , Matthew...

Belloc · « **Reply #7 on:** October 02, 2009, 03:15:29 PM »

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This has been dealt with before (in the FE archived thread for one). As far as whether or not it "seems" to indicate this or that, I will counter by saying it does not seem to do anything of the kind.

a non-answer, though nicely done... :applause:

why did Mary not say anything....also, why did she not say "hey, consecrate the world in 1960, but then again, you will have no Pope to do it" or something like that???

alot of stuff about apostasy, but the only vacant chair I see is during the violent crisis just before the Chastisemtn and/or tribulation.....do not see any Pope heading to Cologne or "over the sea"....nor the massive violence to engulf Europe....yet.....plenty of prophecy then to back up a Pope to die and vacant seat....not before.....

Belloc · « **Reply #8 on:** October 02, 2009, 03:16:31 PM »

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It is average, at best, Matthew. The people I discussed this with at FE made the same points and more, and made them more clearly..[/quote

soo.......no "what what" for me, no "raise the roof" stuff :ready-to-eat:

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #9 on:** October 02, 2009, 03:18:29 PM »

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a non-answer, though nicely done... :applause:

Considering your appeal to someone in another thread to consider that you work full-time, etc., I find this response a bit absurd.

I have responded more about this stuff that you likely know. I MAY get to it again here, but I may not. If you want to take that as evasion, go ahead. My days do not have any more hours than your own.

Mary didn't say "Consecrate the world IN 1960", Belloc.

Belloc · « **Reply #10 on:** October 02, 2009, 03:19:05 PM »

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Considering that there is a need to have a Pontiff and Bishops at the moment of the consecration, not necessarily at every moment before and/or after, the rather glaring failure of the V2 Popes on this front (all post-1960, btw) could arguably be looked upon more as a strike against their legitimacy than in favor thereof. .

huh?

again, why consecrate in 1960 if no Pope..did Mary not know? lie? She said consecrate in 1960.....there had to be a Pope then at some point...Pius XII was dead 2 yrs.....soo?

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #11 on:** October 02, 2009, 03:20:35 PM »

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She said consecrate in 1960...

Please show us the quote wherein she said any such thing, Belloc.

Belloc · « **Reply #12 on:** October 02, 2009, 03:21:30 PM »

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a non-answer, though nicely done... :applause:

Considering your appeal to someone in another thread to consider that you work full-time, etc., I find this response a bit absurd.
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still a non-answer, and here you still are responding....yet minutes later.....me on other hand , shutting down and off...........office lights going out and all....

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #13 on:** October 02, 2009, 03:23:40 PM »

Btw, you will not find one. Your behavior in this thread is NOT an inducement to spend any time responding in any kind of detail. The fact that you do not even know what the Blessed Virgin said is not encouraging, either.

Hyper-down, dial down the presumptive arrogance knob, and we MAY proceed in a way that could be fruitful for all.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #14 on:** October 02, 2009, 03:26:26 PM »

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still a non-answer, and here you still are responding....yet minutes later.....me on other hand , shutting down and off...........office lights going out and all....

While you may THINK this makes you look smart, you are mistaken. The only reason I have given you anything further is your arrogance needs to be exposed more than you need or deserve a response about your initial points.

You do not even know what Our Lady said, you dope! HeL-Lo-O, McFly!!!