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Offline CMMM

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« on: November 24, 2009, 11:45:45 AM »
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  • http://magisteriabilia.wordpress.com/

    This blog lists several interesting principals.  How would they apply, if you feel they are valid, in your belief of 'sedevacante', or disbelief of such a position?  

    Do they give you reason to ponder, and if so, why?

    Etc, etc.


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    « Reply #1 on: November 24, 2009, 03:52:39 PM »
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  • First I must ask, where do these "principles" come from?  Were they woven out of thin air by the writer of this site or do they have some doctrinal source?  

    Also, the docuмent that is cited about the changeability of the Magisterium here is Donum Veritatis, issued by the CDF under JPII, and as such about as worthless as a crumpled-up napkin under the table at Starbucks.

    That being said, since this is about NFP I assume it's directed to me?

    Richard Ibranyi, the Feeneyite, argues against NFP by saying that it contradicted Pius XI, and the writer of this article appears to be responding to his argument.  But Pius XI has never been my knight in shining armor when it comes to slaying NFP.  From my point of view, Pius XI's Casti Connubi set the stage for Allocution of Midwives, whether intentionally or not.  Isn't it remarkable that the Church had not said anything about sɛҳuąƖity within marriage in an encyclical for hundreds of years, and then suddenly back-to-back they give us Casti Connubi and Allocution to Midwives? ( The latter is not an encyclical but was put into the Acta, meaning that they attempted to make it Magisterial ).  

    Pius XI had said the "infertile" times may be used in marriage, and from here it was only a short jump to saying that the infertile times may be used EXCLUSIVELY, as Pius XII said in the Allocution, which leads us into the realm of birth control.  So while Pius XI's encyclical is not heretical, and certainly could be read as forbidding NFP, most people have read it in the exact opposite sense, as leading gradually up to NFP.  At the very least the blow of NFP was cushioned by this encyclical's frank discussion of the conjugal act as well as the ever-increasing laxness towards sɛҳuąƖ matters in the Church at large.  

    That is why the author of your article C.M.M.M. tries to make NFP look like "development of doctrine" and it is -- it's a development of Satan's doctrine, accomplished through gradualism.  Over generations, the crude rhythm method slowly morphed into NFP which became acceptable eugenics.  

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    I don't want to say any more about it for now.  I'm going to prepare my official essays on NFP, covering every possible objection, sign them, post them, translate them into garbled French and German, the two languages I can write in somewhat, and then ship them out to the clergy here and in France and Germany.  Then we'll see what happens.  

    I don't want to make any assumptions about a conspiratorial clergy until then, because I might alienate the handful of priests and bishops who aren't conspiratorial.  Some of them are probably going along with everyone else, with the majority opinion, as I once did, and may not have given NFP much thought.  I think it actually takes direct insight from God, meaning actual grace, to see through this one, such is the strength of the tractor-beam of modernism and rationalism that is sucking even the traditionalists and sedevacantists into a wholly un-Catholic pit.  
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 24, 2009, 08:45:56 PM »
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  • Do you have a guilty conscience?  They were meant to spark discussion.

    If I cared at all about your explanation and condemnation of NFP, I would have responded in the thread.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 24, 2009, 09:03:24 PM »
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  • I can't wait to see how Raoul deals with Bangla Desh and Africa. IOW wouldn't it be a good idea to utilise NFP in places where there are hundreds of millions of people living is squalor?
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    « Reply #4 on: November 24, 2009, 10:33:28 PM »
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  • Sometimes I think roscoe= :devil2:


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    « Reply #5 on: November 24, 2009, 10:43:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Your non-Catholic link
    A magisterial statement cannot be judged false, erroneous, heretical, etc., simply because it appears to contradict a former magisterial statement.


    Okay then.  So how is the Magisterium protected from teaching heresy?  If one can never judge a "Magisterial" teaching to contradict another, then you allow for the proposition that NOTHING IS HERESY.

    Pure utter nonesense.

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    The level of authority a magisterial docuмent has is not determined by how correct its teaching is.


    In other words "Truth is not authority!"

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    Later magisterial docuмents must be interpreted as in continuity with earlier magisterial docuмents.


    NOTHING IS HERESY.  It's just that we didn't understand the dogma before. :barf:

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    Given two docuмents of the Magisterium, the later docuмent has more weight.


    Yes.  IF IT'S CATHOLIC!  If not, it's not Magisterial at all!

    Oh, sorry I forgot.  "Nothing is heresy!" Doubleplus-good eh?!

    No.  Doubleplus-ungood.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 26, 2009, 07:42:38 AM »
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    « Reply #7 on: November 27, 2009, 11:00:09 AM »
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  • I'm sure everything he says makes perfect sense to you.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 27, 2009, 01:04:36 PM »
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  • That it does not make sense to you could be an excellent indicator of your insanity.

    I say that with no intent to insult either.