Author Topic: Lutholics or Catherans (Read 761 times)

Marlelar · « **on:** January 06, 2017, 11:11:22 PM »

"Catholics are now able to hear Luther’s challenge for the Church of today, recognising him as a “witness to the gospel” (From Conflict to Communion 29). And so after centuries of mutual condemnations and vilification, in 2017 Lutheran and Catholic Christians will for the first time commemorate together the beginning of the Reformation."

link to Vatican docuмent

Luther - a witness to the gospel????

Catholics are supposed to commemorate the revolt that destroyed the unity of the Church? :shocked:

Puke worthy indeed... :barf:

poche · « **Reply #1 on:** January 06, 2017, 11:45:22 PM »

The Bolshevik revolution of October 1917—which helped usher in over seven decades of Communist rule in Russia—should be commemorated but not celebrated, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church said recently to other church leaders.

“The thing is not to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the tragedy, but to remember this date consciously, accompanying it with deep reflections and sincere prayers, so that mistakes committed a hundred years ago should teach our nations not to make the same mistakes at the current stage of development,” said Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, according to an Interfax report.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=30358

I think this applies to Catholics and Martin Luther.

Jovita · « **Reply #2 on:** January 07, 2017, 07:29:45 AM »

You mean, like The Day That Will Live in Infamy, Dec. 7, 1941? When the Japanese were allowed to bomb Pearl Harbor.

Japan is now a US ally.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #3 on:** January 07, 2017, 09:07:09 PM »

Quote from: Jovita

You mean, like The Day That Will Live in Infamy, Dec. 7, 1941? When the Japanese were allowed to bomb Pearl Harbor.

Japan is now a US ally.

Yes, but it's politics that can make strange bedfellows. Truth often sleeps alone.

poche · « **Reply #4 on:** January 07, 2017, 11:37:31 PM »

Quote from: Jovita

You mean, like The Day That Will Live in Infamy, Dec. 7, 1941? When the Japanese were allowed to bomb Pearl Harbor.

Japan is now a US ally.

So if the Lutherans return to the Catholic Faith wouldn't that be something similar? Let yourself be conquered by the love of Christ.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2017, 03:46:23 AM »

Quote from: An even Seven

Quote from: poche
The Bolshevik revolution of October 1917—which helped usher in over seven decades of Communist rule in Russia—should be commemorated but not celebrated, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church said recently to other church leaders.

“The thing is not to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the tragedy, but to remember this date consciously, accompanying it with deep reflections and sincere prayers, so that mistakes committed a hundred years ago should teach our nations not to make the same mistakes at the current stage of development,” said Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, according to an Interfax report.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=30358

I think this applies to Catholics and Martin Luther.

If you read the docuмent you would see that this is not just a mutual acknowledgment of the history.
Even in the small quote that marlelar gave, it says that Luther is a witness to the Gospel when we know that he most certainly is not. Then it says that after centuries of mutual condemnation etc... they will come together to commemorate, strongly implying that these divisions no longer exist. This is shown throughout the article by the many instances of praying together and acknowledgment that all the religions present are Christian. This is not Catholic.

It is not Catholic, and that is why the conciliar church and the few "denominations" of other false religions can come together. This "Lutheran" agreement is with just one Lutheran group, there are 1000's more that would not touch the conciliar church. These conciliar church ecuмenical "agreements" are agreements between liberals.

s2srea · « **Reply #6 on:** January 08, 2017, 07:08:46 AM »

Quote from: poche

The Bolshevik revolution of October 1917—which helped usher in over seven decades of Communist rule in Russia—should be commemorated but not celebrated, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church said recently to other church leaders.

“The thing is not to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the tragedy, but to remember this date consciously, accompanying it with deep reflections and sincere prayers, so that mistakes committed a hundred years ago should teach our nations not to make the same mistakes at the current stage of development,” said Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, according to an Interfax report.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=30358

I think this applies to Catholics and Martin Luther.

Yes, but this does nothing to address the article quoted in the OP Poche. It is not the attitude taken the many (almost all) in the heirarchy. It is your opinion (perhaps not even of Patriarch Kirill).

JezusDeKoning · « **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2017, 08:14:13 AM »

If Luther is canonized this year, I wonder what that will say about the infallibility of canonizations.

TKGS · « **Reply #8 on:** January 08, 2017, 11:56:38 AM »

Quote from: JezusDeKoning

If Luther is canonized this year, I wonder what that will say about the infallibility of canonizations.

:roll-laugh1:

Marlelar · « **Reply #9 on:** January 08, 2017, 08:16:37 PM »

"Canonizations" have been laughable ever since V2. I hope they do claim Luther to be a saint, it will open up even more eyes, just like Francis' docuмent Amoris Laetitia did. They are small advances but lay the groundwork for more in the future.