Not that I can stop other people from posting, but I can certainly suggest
a work around solution since the moderator seems to pay little attention to this problem. I have not shown bad will, but only good will clearly giving the benefit of the doubt (in his case it is pretty CLEAR what his agenda is). He does not have enough respect for himself, and if he clearly disagrees with a bunch of hell bound heretics, then why argue with them? It seems like Matthew really only bans "dogmatic sedevacantists" and allows a bunch of dogmatic sedeplenist to freely post (when repeatedly caught of the offense), even though they are a bunch of schismatics by their own accord. If we claim to be traditional Catholics we go by the maxim,
"Error has no rights." Who cares if someone gets offended seriously, if it is CLEARLY schismatic then it should be banned. Now I know that the forum has a very tolerant view of things dealing with the crisis, and I am not objecting to this format, but if you are going to be banning "Pope Augustine" or "Home aloners", then be consistent, even a temporary ban would help to make him reconsider his schismatic stance (we wish that the sinner be converted). However, we are talking about someone that accepts Vatican II, Bergoglio who is tolerant of every evil defends him at every step of the way. Well you should start by practising what you preach, maybe show some "tolerance", "respect" for other faith traditions like our Catholic religion (of which you clearly reject the dogma of the communion of Saints). Some little ecuмenism maybe, and why don't you add some "dialogue" along with that, respect the primacy of conscience of other people might be a good start also. People would treat you with more respect if you were more consistent. You want to shove everyone's throat the idea that a NON Catholic abomination can be Catholic, we don't need to waste time reading garbage like that. If you were someone that was completely new, and you have never heard of this stuff, its a total different story, but this is clearly not the case with you.
I always tell this to my personal friends, if you really believe that Communion in the hand is a work of the Church, then why don't you go and become a Eucharistic minister. There are many poor infirm folks in the hospital, elderly people, in the prisons that can receive Our Lord but are unable to because they can't make it to mass. Why don't you go and offer them a Novus Ordo cookie since you think its valid. We have too few priest, go do it yourself, if the solution you advocate is more conservatism add a little incense if that suits your taste. If you really believe the Novus Ordo Mass is a work of the Church, then start attending it consistently, no man can "have two masters." If you are old enough then go become a married deacon if you feel so "religious", if you know any Novus Ordo female friends/colleagues or females in your family, tell them to go serve "the people of God" in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in the "ordinary form" of the Roman Rite. Why be so selfish and ignore their feminist needs, we definitely need a more inclusive Church forget "those small minded rules." In short what you are prescribing to others do it unto yourself, if you defend Vatican II the modern Conciliar magisterium, then you MUST not contradict them because they are not asking you to kill anyone or harm anyone. They are not asking you to commit sin, they are simply teaching you matters with respect to faith/morals which you are bound to obey, if you believe that they are perfectly orthodox and in perfect conformity with the faith. Do the black, and do the red (Father Z style) if it is permitted on the books, its the wisdom of the Church no complex re-interpreting the obvious. Don't go trashing Sedevacantist for "not being obedient" enough, when you yourself are no different then any of us with regards to that respect. Loving the Pope is not simply reduced to just mentioning him once in the mass and for plenary indulgences, its a whole lot more then that. Just think of what sort of company you are with, when you start any sentence with "well he is not infallible in that instance." Sounds like it came from the lips of Most Holy Family Monastery that reduce the papacy to its bare bones.
There are some communities that take a little different approach more of an SSPX theological understanding of the Crisis. The superior of the Carmelite Monks in Wyoming told me a while ago, along with other monastic superiors of traditional communities that I had applied to a while ago, that they reject Religious liberty, ecuмenism and collegiality. That was the only reason why I was willing to even consider them, if they had never rejected the Council then I could never in good conscience join the community. They don't accept the Council in totality, because they believe its not binding (clearly because they see its heretical if read in plain english). This is of course similar to the position of the SSPX, that the Council is not "binding" because it simply cannot be interpreted in the light of tradition (words of H.E. Fellay in his most recent October conference in Kansas, Angelus Press).
Only once in my life did I ever receive communion in the New Mass, and it was with that same indult priest I have mentioned before, who had asked me to serve his "mass" (it was in Latin, ad orientem etc...). That was enough for me... Even if you add Gregorian Chant, 20 pounds of incense it is still an abomination, it is simply false worship no matter how well intentioned the celebrant might be. Your either traditional, or you are not period. A long time acquaintance who attends only the Novus Ordo mass, mother of an old friend (in her mid 50's) told me that she never understood the people who attend both masses the true mass and the Novus Ordo missae. You either believe in the old religion, or you believe in the new religion, this lukewarm spirit is what plagues our society. You can't have it both ways, and God will at some point in your life make you realize through hardship and trials that he wants you totally and completely (He is a jealous God indeed). She also calls the New mass, "Coca-Cola Masses" and she rants at me all day (clear symptoms of masochism) of what "abuses" they had in the New mass every other week, how inventive and creative they got. How she can't receive communion most of the time, because the priest does not give it out anymore, how its only the deacons celebrating "the mass" now. Of how short the whole sermon was, the protestant service (her words not mine) makes her feel spiritually empty, and YET they still keep going. She still attends the New mass (despite everything I have ever said), but I can admire her honesty. She clearly knows where she belongs in a schismatic new religion, she makes no qualms about it. She particularly has a conservative bent, but it has nothing to do with substance its all about "their religious experience", I don't think I need to quote Pascendi to demonstrate how false that notion is.
I would suggest all people of good will in the forum to simply ignore this troll Laramie, because he is clearly not interested in reading the lengthy post responses that others who take their precious time out of their day to actually attempt to answer his questions. Yet, he obstinately keeps asking the same idiotic questions. Instead he should go back and read if his question has been attempted to be responded before. He hardly responds to threads that he creates, and just keeps creating more to spread his agenda which is CLEAR, he damns to hell everyone who is a sedevacantist. He "is now taking a stance", ohh boy what a big boy, someone give him a cookie and a good round of applause. I have seen quite a few trolls in my day, but this guy is clearly a professional.
I have already posted a very good article in one of my responses, with respect to all of the heresies of
Vatican II, read it. No they were not written by a sedevacantist as you do not need to be sedevacantist to reject that Robber Council. Many in the SSPX and even in indult groups reject the Council, or simply outright reading in its plain and literal meaning. This is known as reading it under the "light of tradition."
P.S. You can always publicly recant your previous positions. So long as you do not do that, then I will simply ignore you from now on. You can take my advice and humble up, or simply go on your way. I will
for your eternal soul. If you have to re-read this several times, and see just how many times everyone has attempted to kindly show you that you are wrong with cutting off communion, despite of that you will do your thing. I certainly hope that you will change your mind, and the same advice goes to all those who happen to agree with Laramie. If the shoe fits, then certainly take a good long hard look at your position, self-knowledge is key to growth in the spiritual life.
+Pax vobis+
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