Author Topic: Lover of Truth is a Manifest Heretic and Not Catholic (Read 2178 times)

Ladislaus · « **on:** February 12, 2014, 02:16:04 PM »

Quote from: Gospel of St. Mark 4:24

In what measure you shall mete, it shall be measured to you again...

I accuse you on the basis of your own principles:

1) Lover of Truth has declared Francis I to be not Catholic due to manifest heresy.

2) Francis I's heresy is that of a false ecclesiology and soteriology.

3) Lover of Truth has the same ecclesiology and soteriology as Francis.

Therefore, I declare that Lover of Truth, due to manifest heresy, has left the Catholic faith. He needs to be denied the Sacraments. He is an obstinate heretic, having been duly admonished by myself repeatedly on this forum and refusing to be corrected.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2014, 02:17:48 PM »

In case you haven't guessed it, this thread is a tongue-in-cheek slam against all of your self-contradictory operating principles, LoH.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2014, 02:22:22 PM »

Lover of Truth Objection: By whose authority do you declare me to be a manifest heretic?

Ladislaus reply: By the same authority with which you declare Jorge Bergoglio to be a heretic. It's manifest and therefore deposes you ipso facto. I need no other authority. I am as convinced that your principles are heretical as you are that Bergoglio's are. In fact, I am convinced that Bergoglio's theology is essentially the same as yours.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2014, 02:40:25 PM »

You'll notice that I have every bit as much a right to declare you a manifest heretic as you do to declare Jorge Bergoglio a manifest heretic. In fact, my situation is not complicated by the fact that you, to your credit, do not claim to be Pope.

SJB · « **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2014, 02:48:41 PM »

Some things never change.

2Vermont · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2014, 03:29:55 PM »

Quote from: SJB

Some things never change.

LOL.

soulguard · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2014, 03:34:55 PM »

Is he a manifest formal heretic, or merely a material heretic? because if only material, he is still in the Catholic church.

Hay see what I learned from LoT.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #7 on:** February 12, 2014, 04:25:54 PM »

:stare:

Sunbeam · « **Reply #8 on:** February 12, 2014, 04:48:39 PM »

Quote from: SJB

Some things never change.

I guess that's what LoT's wife said, when again, he forgot to "measure the mete"!

Alcuin · « **Reply #9 on:** February 12, 2014, 04:48:41 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Lover of Truth has declared Francis I to be not Catholic due to manifest heresy.

What was his actual quote?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** February 12, 2014, 08:23:26 PM »

So what's the response? Why is it not OK for me to declare Lover of Truth a heretic when Lover of Truth can declare Jorge Bergoglio to be a heretic?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #11 on:** February 13, 2014, 08:13:13 AM »

I'm not just trying to yank LoT's chain with this thread. I'm being quite serious. This dovetails with my thread about both sedevacantism and sedeplenism being WRONG.

2Vermont · « **Reply #12 on:** February 13, 2014, 08:24:51 AM »

What does it matter? LoT is a sedevacantist and he is a heretic just on that fact alone.

SJB · « **Reply #13 on:** February 13, 2014, 11:02:42 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Lover of Truth Objection: By whose authority do you declare me to be a manifest heretic?

Ladislaus reply: By the same authority with which you declare Jorge Bergoglio to be a heretic. It's manifest and therefore deposes you ipso facto. I need no other authority. I am as convinced that your principles are heretical as you are that Bergoglio's are. In fact, I am convinced that Bergoglio's theology is essentially the same as yours.

That's a question of fact, and you've merely asserted it as fact. You can't go too far with that Ladi.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #14 on:** February 13, 2014, 11:39:32 AM »

Quote from: SJB

That's a question of fact, and you've merely asserted it as fact. You can't go too far with that Ladi.

I'm looking to get at the underlying principles, SJB; something you've made it clear that you care nothing about.