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Re: Lots of Hatred for the SSPX here
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2021, 04:30:32 PM »
You didn't mention "hatred" in your actual post.

I object to your use of "hatred" in this context. It implies that opposition to the neo-SSPX is 90% if not 100% emotion. It implies that it's irrational. And it certainly implies that it's sinful/evil.

There is a lot of JUST ANGER towards an organization which was founded by +ABL to be a beacon of light in this Crisis in the Church. It was the sanest, most sure place to park your soul (and those of your family) during this Crisis. It was the surest route of keeping the Faith without many of the downside risks seen in other groups. And that is why the SSPX quickly became the 800 lb gorilla of the Trad world. So many good, holy, and faithful Catholics all around the world "heard the voice of the Shepherd" and attached themselves to this Providential lifeboat.

But since 2012, it has come to light that a new generation of priests, a significant percentage of the SSPX clergy, have betrayed their founder. By all calculations they more properly belong in the FSSP, but they instead prefer to  "keep their seniority" in the SSPX, not become "the new guy" in another group -- which means changing the organization instead. These men are traitors, and yes, betrayal often elicits the emotion of Righteous Indignation.

Hatred is an emotion, a sin when applied to a human being. One of the signs of hatred is that the object of that hatred "can do no right". I haven't see that here on CathInfo, I'm sorry. I'm going to go so far as to say you're wrong on this. You're delusional. Maybe one or two individuals at most. CathInfo is a huge forum; 2 individuals is a drop in the bucket. Most others, even strong Resistance-leaning individuals, are quick to be fair and accurate and "give the devil his due", myself included. I will speak truth about the SSPX and everything else for that matter, even if that frequently takes the form of criticism (because it's something negative).

Part of the evil of the neo-SSPX is keeping the Trads asleep. They aren't at their destination yet. They don't want everyone to wake up. So our job on CathInfo and other places is to wake people up. Hence our focus on the "one lost sheep in the desert" (the few things they're doing wrong) rather than the 99 that are still in the sheepfold (the many things they're still doing right -- at least in SOME locations).

Remember, a sinking ship is still 99% dry and normal. The problem is, the ship is taking on water and the situation WILL get worse by the day. Every single person on that ship needs to figure out where he is going to go after it becomes impossible to float any longer on the main ship itself. Time to launch the lifeboats. Time to create new lifeboats, or a whole new ship if necessary. But once the Titanic struck the iceberg, the writing was on the wall. The doom of that ship was sealed -- as it has been for the SSPX.
I could've worded my post a lot better, but I guess what I was getting at is that it seems like there is more.. I guess I'll use the word harshness here, towards the sspx than there is towards the fssp.  I was wondering why.  It seems your reason, despite my bad wording, was similar to mine, namely, a feeling that fssp is more open about what it is 

Re: Lots of Hatred for the SSPX here
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2021, 04:43:16 PM »
How is SSPX moving toward betraying tradition? I've been attending one of their chapels off and on for about a year now and I haven't heard anything objectionable from them there. They have not joined the NO and seem to want to stand strong for their beliefs. I'm not trying to argue with anyone, just looking for more information.


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Re: Lots of Hatred for the SSPX here
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2021, 04:44:54 PM »
I could've worded my post a lot better, but I guess what I was getting at is that it seems like there is more.. I guess I'll use the word harshness here, towards the sspx than there is towards the fssp.  I was wondering why.  It seems your reason, despite my bad wording, was similar to mine, namely, a feeling that fssp is more open about what it is

Fair enough.

Yes, we've known the FSSP sold out since 1988. We all know what they are; no one is pretending. Every Conciliar-leaning priest had somewhere to join, after they betrayed Tradition and left the SSPX. When their pockets are getting a bit light, they know where they can go for Thirty Pieces of Silver.

But now we have SSPX priests trying to transform their organization instead of leaving, which would be the honest thing to do. It's not fair to those content with the position of the old SSPX. It's not like there's not an organization which PERFECTLY encompasses their views/position on the Crisis. Because there is: it's called the FSSP.

Why does the world need (2) FSSPs and (0) SSPXes? Like I said: not fair to the tens of thousands of Trads who made a well-informed, conscious decision to back the SSPX position on the Crisis.

Re: Lots of Hatred for the SSPX here
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2021, 04:51:01 PM »



We hate the sins of the SSPX leaders for their deceit and betrayal of +ABL and the Traditional Catholic movement he helped to restore.

Re: Lots of Hatred for the SSPX here
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2021, 05:04:54 PM »
Fair enough.

Yes, we've known the FSSP sold out since 1988. We all know what they are; no one is pretending. Every Conciliar-leaning priest had somewhere to join, after they betrayed Tradition and left the SSPX. When their pockets are getting a bit light, they know where they can go for Thirty Pieces of Silver.

But now we have SSPX priests trying to transform their organization instead of leaving, which would be the honest thing to do. It's not fair to those content with the position of the old SSPX. It's not like there's not an organization which PERFECTLY encompasses their views/position on the Crisis. Because there is: it's called the FSSP.

Why does the world need (2) FSSPs and (0) SSPXes? Like I said: not fair to the tens of thousands of Trads who made a well-informed, conscious decision to back the SSPX position on the Crisis.
To the extent that's happening, I agree with you.  And I'm sure it is in some places.  If you buy into hermeneutic of continuity you belpng in fssp doubly so if you're a priest.
It doesn't seem to be such an issue in my chapel where the priest still openly teaches against Vatican ii.  And while he might not be as aggressive on the issue as some might like, he says those who know what's wrong with the NO should not attend it. I can't imagine an fssp priest saying that