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LoT And The Alleged Sodomite Pervert Pope.
« on: September 06, 2009, 10:59:16 PM »
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    • Lover Of Truth says that someone can be a perverted sodomite and still be the True Pope.

    Is there anyone that agrees with this?
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    LoT And The Alleged Sodomite Pervert Pope.
    « Reply #1 on: September 06, 2009, 11:05:25 PM »
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    • BTW-- the allegation that Alex VI participated in orgies at the Vatican are a fraud.
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    LoT And The Alleged Sodomite Pervert Pope.
    « Reply #2 on: September 07, 2009, 03:35:27 AM »
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    • Can someone teach that this is alright and still be pope.  No.

    Can someone fall into heinous, even repeated sins, and still be pope, so long as these are not heresy, schism or apostasy?

    Yes.
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    LoT And The Alleged Sodomite Pervert Pope.
    « Reply #3 on: September 07, 2009, 01:07:56 PM »
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    • You forgot blasphemy and/or infidelity.
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    LoT And The Alleged Sodomite Pervert Pope.
    « Reply #4 on: September 07, 2009, 01:27:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Martyr
    Can someone teach that this is alright and still be pope.  No.

    Can someone fall into heinous, even repeated sins, and still be pope, so long as these are not heresy, schism or apostasy?

    Yes.


    CM is saying( apparently) that a Pope cannot TEACH  sodomy is OK and still be Pope-- we agree here.

    The $ 64,000 question though is can a person BE a sodomite and still BE Pope? This is impossible as he would lose his office upon consummating the peversion.
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    LoT And The Alleged Sodomite Pervert Pope.
    « Reply #5 on: September 07, 2009, 01:52:35 PM »
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    • A legitimately elected Pope would lose his office upon performing any sɛҳuąƖ act.
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    LoT And The Alleged Sodomite Pervert Pope.
    « Reply #6 on: September 07, 2009, 02:17:09 PM »
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    A legitimately elected Pope would lose his office upon performing any sɛҳuąƖ act.


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    Denzinger 646 20. If the pope is wicked and especially if he is foreknown, than as Judas, the Apostle, he is of the devil, a thief, and a son of perdition, and he is not the head of the holy militant Church, since he is not a member of it.

    Denzinger 656 30. No one is a civil master, no one is a prelate, no one is a bishop while he is in mortal sin.


    Roscoe, a wicked member of the clergy, even if he be pope does not lose his office or cease to be a member of the Church.
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    « Reply #7 on: September 07, 2009, 02:44:02 PM »
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    • Constance and Basel are no councils at all. True-- some of the things enacted by these assemblies were later declared valid but I doubt that it is the above.

    Has anyone ever heard of a defrocked priest? Are you saying there is no such thing?
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    LoT And The Alleged Sodomite Pervert Pope.
    « Reply #8 on: September 07, 2009, 03:03:18 PM »
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    A legitimately elected Pope would lose his office upon performing any sɛҳuąƖ act.


    Where do you get that idea?
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    « Reply #9 on: September 07, 2009, 03:04:11 PM »
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    Lover Of Truth says that someone can be a perverted sodomite and still be the True Pope.

    Is there anyone that agrees with this?


    Where does the Church teach that the pope loses his office due to this?
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    « Reply #10 on: September 07, 2009, 03:18:51 PM »
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    • Could trad123 or radtrad give an example of an action that would cause a priest of whatever cast to lose his office. I did not say that clergy committing a sɛҳuąƖ act lose their membership in the Church( unless they are unrepentant)-- only that they lose their authority as Priest.
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    LoT And The Alleged Sodomite Pervert Pope.
    « Reply #11 on: September 07, 2009, 03:23:03 PM »
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    Could trad123 or radtrad give an example of an action that would cause a priest of whatever cast to lose his office. I did not say that clergy committing a sɛҳuąƖ act lose their membership in the Church( unless they are unrepentant)-- only that they lose their authority as Priest.


    The burden of proof is on you!  You are arguing in the affirmative on the subject.  Rules of debate dictate that you prove your point.  

    Is the priest open to losing his office or are you saying that he automatically loses his office?
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    « Reply #12 on: September 07, 2009, 03:30:37 PM »
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    • A matter of semantics here. True-- it would take a legit Church Authority to command that the priest be defrocked.
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    « Reply #13 on: September 07, 2009, 05:20:02 PM »
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    • Some people are rather ignorant and like to display their ignorance to the world.

    The Holy Ghost protects the pope from erring not from sinning.

    Does he lose his office if he has an impure thought?

    What if he materbates?  

    If that is the case how do we know anyone was pope and held his office including Saint Peter.  

    You are wrong.  Admit it or show Church teaching to the contrary.
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    « Reply #14 on: September 07, 2009, 05:32:20 PM »
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    • Have you ever heard of a priest who has been de-frocked?
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