Tim Staples is an idiot.

...and who will be coming to San Antonio?  :scratchchin:

Orthodox can never be used as an adjective in front of "Novus Ordo".

It's quite ironic that Novus Ordo Catholics now use the word orthodox to mean that they think the person is actually Catholic.

It would be so much simpler if we could just say that Cardinal Mahoney is not Catholic, wouldn't it?

As a friend of mine said today, "there is another earthquake about to hit L.A.!"

This little tirade is so staggeringly delusional that I am just gobsmacked, speechless.

Quote from: Vladimir

Orthodox can never be used as an adjective in front of "Novus Ordo".

It's quite ironic that Novus Ordo Catholics now use the word orthodox to mean that they think the person is actually Catholic.

It would be so much simpler if we could just say that Cardinal Mahoney is not Catholic, wouldn't it?

Good point.

I take back all that I said.  I just learned Abp. Gomez is in Opus Dei.  They are conservatives who self-flagellate and wear undies made of razor blades.  They are so orthodox that they don't even believe Mary Magdalene had a kid with Christ.  They are keeping the Church in the stone age -- their minds are closed to anyone who wants to try to make people see Christ in a new way, to see Him as sensual and warm and capable of earthly love.  

And they are close to the Pope who is really, really conservative -- just look at him.  He's, like, a total nαzι and German and stuff and doesn't believe that Africans should wear condoms.  This changes everything.  

Okay, I admit, I'm just being sarcastic again about the childish fairy stories that people insist on telling themselves and which the devil is happy to reinforce through the press.  What else is there to do while people go on pretending that the Masons and witches who rise highly in today's Vatican are going to suddenly turn Catholic?  

stevusmagnus said:

This is just like replacing Democrats with Republicans and expecting different results. The whole thing is an exercise in futility.

Yeah...

stevusmagnus said:

Will we ever learn?

I don't know, are you sede yet?  

Raoul,

Once. I become a Sede, then what?

Does it really matter?

Whether this is the Church or not it's all still going to Hell.

Sede-ism to me is just hopelessness and despair.

I'm depressed enough already.

Sheesh!  I didn't mean to engender that kind of reaction.  All I can say is be comforted by knowing that others are in despair as well.  If you weren't in despair, I would seriously question your devotion.  We are witnesses to something unspeakably awful.

Oh wait -- you are just depressed, while sedes are the ones in despair.  I'll make sure to tell my fellow sedes about that; I'm not sure they know.  

Is this the impression that sedes give off in the SSPX world?  I've never felt despair from sedevacantists at all.  I haven't met many, if any, who are as gung-ho as I am, though... Most of them are just provisional sedevacantists who would have no problem going to SSPX.  They just come across as normal Catholics -- too normal, in my opinion.  I always want more engagement, more action, more intensity from everyone.  There is such an inertia among Catholics, they are so constipated, I wish all trads could just completely throw off the shackles of VII and say "WE ARE THE CHURCH -- THEY ARE NOT."  Just draw the line in the sand once and for all.  I don't like this uneasy detente, this diplomacy with jackals.  

You must think that the sedevacantist thesis in itself is permeated with despair.  But our circuмstances are so extraordinary that I've never doubted they will end or be changed in an equally extraordinary way.  I don't see why doubting Ratzinger's papacy is inherently fraught with despair.  Believing he is Pope is much more depressing.  Was St. Bernard in despair when he fought anti-Pope Anacletus II?  ( People don't talk about that bizarre, forgotten episode in Church history enough ).

Once you are a sede, not much will change, but you will have the satisfaction of not contributing your time and energy to a futile cause, or of being made a fool out of, over and over again.  You don't have to pretend that the "Holy Father" is going to correct any abuses.  I no longer believe that one will be damned by being in SSPX, but sedevacantism is more consistent.  Consistency is a big thing with me.