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Author Topic: Live: Tonsure Minor Orders Subdeacons Deacon July 31, 2020  (Read 8978 times)

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Offline Tradman

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Re: Live: Tonsure Minor Orders Subdeacons Deacon July 31, 2020
« Reply #45 on: August 03, 2020, 12:05:03 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on August 03, 2020, 11:56:19 AM
Tradman, in this particular case, where there is indisputable evidence which proves he received a doubtful/invalid consecration, word of mouth that this was corrected is not good enough to serve as proof, not by any stretch. As it is now, now he *has to* provide evidence of validity.  
I definitely won't argue. It would be prudent to post the video. 
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Offline Venantius0518

Re: Live: Tonsure Minor Orders Subdeacons Deacon July 31, 2020
« Reply #46 on: August 03, 2020, 12:13:18 PM »
Quote from: Tradman on August 03, 2020, 11:05:15 AM
I've since talked to other seminarians in order to get clarity. All were in agreement, although each had his own description. Basically, the MC caught the error and warned the bishop(s). Pfeiffer dismissed the warning and said everything was ok.  Discussion ensued. They reviewed the recording and reconsecrated.  Pfeiffer says a reconsecration was done when he spoke the following day at the sermon at the diaconate.  I agree it would be nice to see a statement from Bishop Webster but I'm no longer in doubt about whether or not Pfeiffer is a bishop.    
Methinks the right had does not know what the left is doing.  
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Offline Venantius0518

Re: Live: Tonsure Minor Orders Subdeacons Deacon July 31, 2020
« Reply #47 on: August 03, 2020, 12:15:17 PM »
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on August 03, 2020, 11:20:11 AM
It begs the question: Why would they publish a video that contains obvious errors without a rider explaining the correction?
A rider is not enough.
They put out the video proving invalidity of the co secretion.  They need to put  out the video of the conditional consecration.
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Then there is still the discussion of the validity of Webster's ordination.
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And of tonsure, subdiaconate and diaconates....  major orders are in question.
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Offline Venantius0518

Re: Live: Tonsure Minor Orders Subdeacons Deacon July 31, 2020
« Reply #48 on: August 03, 2020, 12:17:10 PM »
Quote from: Tradman on August 03, 2020, 12:05:03 PM
I definitely won't argue. It would be prudent to post the video.
Prudent?
Necessary.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Live: Tonsure Minor Orders Subdeacons Deacon July 31, 2020
« Reply #49 on: August 03, 2020, 12:19:18 PM »
Quote from: Venantius0518 on August 03, 2020, 12:15:17 PM
A rider is not enough.

Right.  I think his point, though, was that if they did in fact noticed it immediately, as they now claim, why not give an explanation before publishing the video?  ANSWER:  because they clearly did NOT notice the problem right away like they claim.
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