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Thurifer7 · « **on:** May 01, 2014, 03:05:00 PM »

I thought we could make a list of suppressed saints since around the time of Vatican II and afterward. Do these saints have anything in common that would cause their removal from the calendar and the suppression of their cultus?

St. Christopher
St. Philomena
St. Simon of Trent
Blessed Andrea of Rinn

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #1 on:** May 02, 2014, 12:35:49 AM »

The Jєωs hate what St Simon of Trent stands for.

7sorrowsbvm · « **Reply #2 on:** May 02, 2014, 10:28:12 AM »

Quote from: Thurifer7

I thought we could make a list of suppressed saints since around the time of Vatican II and afterward. Do these saints have anything in common that would cause their removal from the calendar and the suppression of their cultus?

St. Christopher
St. Philomena
St. Simon of Trent
Blessed Andrea of Rinn

St. Christopher is one of the fourteen holy helpers, and I think the other thirteen, including the devotion as fourteen, were also suppressed:

St. Catherine of Alexandria
St. Margaret of Antioch
St. Barbara
St. Giles
St. Blaise
St. Denis
St. Vitus
St. Elmo
St. Pantaleon
St. Cyriacus
St. Austace
St. George
I'm note sure of last, but St. Catherine reminds me that St. Joan of Arc was removed too.

These saints were also martyrs (except St. Giles).

I was told that the first 33 popes were martyrs and those that had feasts were also removed. Not sure how to check that, but maybe there were more martyrs removed than other saints.

TKGS · « **Reply #3 on:** May 02, 2014, 10:57:56 AM »

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St. Blaise

Saint Blaise? But they do the blessing of throats even in the Novus Ordo (though the last time I attended one of their blessings, I was blessed by a layman--they set up just like communion with "Eucharistic Ministers" along with the priest doing the blessings). Or is there a different Saint Blaise?

7sorrowsbvm · « **Reply #4 on:** May 02, 2014, 11:44:44 AM »

No different St. Blaise that I know of. And I can't confirm that all novus ordo churches honor St. Blaise. My experience in our diocese was that one novus ordo priest did it, and he said with permission. All traditional priests did it, however. Maybe this wasn't the norm.

It may be relevant that St. Catherine of Alexandria, once even a holy day of obligation, was suppressed; then there are references that JPII gave an option to celebrate. I suppose her feast may be celebrated in the novus ordo in some places. I doubt all. I am mentioning it because it might explain our different experience around the blessing of the throats and St. Blaise.

Either way, these saints are treated differently since Vatican II. While these examples may represent a change, variation or return, I think they can be considered on a thread of suppressed saints since their cultus was changed.

Sigismund · « **Reply #5 on:** May 02, 2014, 08:03:01 PM »

Quote from: 7sorrowsbvm

Quote from: Thurifer7
I thought we could make a list of suppressed saints since around the time of Vatican II and afterward. Do these saints have anything in common that would cause their removal from the calendar and the suppression of their cultus?

St. Christopher
St. Philomena
St. Simon of Trent
Blessed Andrea of Rinn

St. Christopher is one of the fourteen holy helpers, and I think the other thirteen, including the devotion as fourteen, were also suppressed:

St. Catherine of Alexandria
St. Margaret of Antioch
St. Barbara
St. Giles
St. Blaise
St. Denis
St. Vitus
St. Elmo
St. Pantaleon
St. Cyriacus
St. Austace
St. George
I'm note sure of last, but St. Catherine reminds me that St. Joan of Arc was removed too.

These saints were also martyrs (except St. Giles).

I was told that the first 33 popes were martyrs and those that had feasts were also removed. Not sure how to check that, but maybe there were more martyrs removed than other saints.

We still venerate all of them in the Byzantine Church. They were removed from the Latin Rite general calendar. That's all.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #6 on:** May 02, 2014, 08:28:53 PM »

Sigismund,

St Philomena is listed on the Byzantine calendar?

TKGS · « **Reply #7 on:** May 02, 2014, 08:42:17 PM »

Speaking of St. Philomena, there was an old parish church in a rural part of the State that had been closed for many years. The property was given to another parish to maintain, which they did because the beauty of the church brought in rental fees for several weddings a year. Other than that, there was little that was done there.

A group of indult traditionalists asked to be given the church for a FSSP oratory with the hope that it might one day gain "parish status". (I never did find out what this status would do for them.)

The church was St. Philomena parish when it had been open. When the archdiocese gave permission for the building to be used by the FSSP, they insisted the name of the oratory be changed to St. Cecelia. I was told the reason for this was because there was a positive doubt as to whether or not St. Philomena actually existed.

Last time I saw, the chapel is officially St. Cecilia, but they informally call it Sts. Cecelia and Philomena.

moneil · « **Reply #8 on:** May 03, 2014, 11:09:12 AM »

For points of information:

My 2014 parish calendar (a diocesan parish, so yes, Novus Ordo) lists St. Blaise on February 3 and St. Catherine of Alexandria on November 25.

I looked up Saint Philomena and discovered that her feast was never on the General Roman Calendar, but rather her liturgical commemoration was approved for some places. My 1950 edition of the Saint Joseph Daily Missal does not list her. She was included in the 1961 decree removing a few saints from the universal and local calendars.

Here is one of the more comprehensive databases of saints (on the calendar or not) http://www.catholic.org/saints/

There are an estimated 10,000 and more saints recognized by the Catholic Church. Only a very small portion are on the liturgical calendar at any given time (whether the universal calendar or local calendars), and Popes have been revising the calendars for centuries.

Saint Pius V removed Saints Joachim and Anne (parents of Our Lady), Anthony of Padua, Nicholas of Tolentino, Francis of Paola, Bernardino of Siena and Elizabeth of Hungary. He removed the feast of the Precious Blood and removed the word "Immaculate" from the title of the 8 December feast of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary, abolished the previously existing special Mass for that day and directed that the Mass of the Nativity of Mary should be used. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tridentine_Calendar

7sorrowsbvm · « **Reply #9 on:** May 03, 2014, 06:12:48 PM »

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Saint Pius V removed Saints Joachim and Anne (parents of Our Lady), Anthony of Padua, Nicholas of Tolentino, Francis of Paola, Bernardino of Siena and Elizabeth of Hungary. He removed the feast of the Precious Blood and removed the word "Immaculate" from the title of the 8 December feast of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary, abolished the previously existing special Mass for that day and directed that the Mass of the Nativity of Mary should be used. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tridentine_Calendar

That gives perspective!

moneil · « **Reply #10 on:** May 03, 2014, 06:55:55 PM »

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Saint Pius V removed Saints Joachim and Anne (parents of Our Lady), Anthony of Padua, Nicholas of Tolentino, Francis of Paola, Bernardino of Siena and Elizabeth of Hungary. He removed the feast of the Precious Blood and removed the word "Immaculate" from the title of the 8 December feast of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary, abolished the previously existing special Mass for that day and directed that the Mass of the Nativity of Mary should be used. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tridentine_Calendar

That gives perspective!

I would like to add that I am by no means being critical of Saint Pius V, and he no doubt had valid and appropriate reason for his actions at the time. Most of the saints he removed from the calendar were re added by his near successors, though from my reading the Propers of the Immaculate Conception were not added back into the missal until Leo XIII.

I'm happy that you are seeing the perspective! My point was that there are 10,000 plus saints recognized by the Church, and popes have been putting them on and pulling them off of the calendar for centuries. It is also my understanding that even though a recognized saint is not on the calendar anyone may manitain a personal devotion to them.

poche · « **Reply #11 on:** May 04, 2014, 11:29:02 PM »

Quote from: Thurifer7

I thought we could make a list of suppressed saints since around the time of Vatican II and afterward. Do these saints have anything in common that would cause their removal from the calendar and the suppression of their cultus?

St. Christopher
St. Philomena
St. Simon of Trent
Blessed Andrea of Rinn

They may have been taken out of the universal calendar but none of these saints is actually suppressed