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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: s2srea on August 13, 2013, 10:48:53 AM
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If it would not be considered detraction/ calumny, I would be interested in seeking out those priests in the Society who have not been conditionally ordained, who came from the Novus Ordo. I remember hearing of at least two such priests around the time the current Crisis was taking off.
I do not wish to ruin the reputation of such priests, doubtful or not, and if this thread is considered a form of unjust detraction, I am happy to have it removed.
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BUMP
I think this is a very valid question and a most rational concern.
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Do you mind if I ask a question?
"Does 'conditionally ordained' mean that they were ordained in the TRIDENTINE rite?" "Are all SSPX Tridentine rite?"
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Do you mind if I ask a question?
"Does 'conditionally ordained' mean that they were ordained in the TRIDENTINE rite?" "Are all SSPX Tridentine rite?"
A conditional ordination is done when there is positive doubt to the validity of a priest's ordination, as there is for many traditionalists regarding the new episcopal and priestly ordination rites.
In the case of traditional groups, conditional ordinations are usually done when a priest defects from the Novus Ordo. He is then conditionally ordained by an undoubtedly valid bishop using an undoubtedly valid rite (yes, the Tridentine rite). It's the same principle as a conditional baptism or confirmation, and within the prayers the person administering the rite usually says something to the effect of 'If you are not already ordained/baptized/confirmed...' or 'If you can be ordained/baptized/confirmed' It is not a RE-ordination (such a thing is sacrilegious) but a conditional one, as a result of positive doubt.
To S2Srea, it is the furthest thing from detraction. The faithful have a right to know that they are being ministered to by real priests, and the traditional clergy have a duty and obligation to ensure it.
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My nearest SSPX chapel (2X monthly) has taken on a new priory, that in Phoenix. I need Confession, because I have fallen into sin again. I am distressed at having the choice of a doubtfully ordained priest from Phoenix or a trip of over 200 miles to a Lefebvre ordained priest. Help!! And I'm old and having serious health problems, to boot.
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My nearest SSPX chapel (2X monthly) has taken on a new priory, that in Phoenix. I need Confession, because I have fallen into sin again. I am distressed at having the choice of a doubtfully ordained priest from Phoenix or a trip of over 200 miles to a Lefebvre ordained priest. Help!! And I'm old and having serious health problems, to boot.
There are more than one priest in Phoenix, call specifically for the ones that are SSPX ordained. I doubt you have more than one Novus Ordo converted priest there.
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There are more than one priest in Phoenix, call specifically for the ones that are SSPX ordained. I doubt you have more than one Novus Ordo converted priest there.
And make sure he is going to be in the confessional that given day. Otherwise, you don't know who is behind the screen.
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And make sure he is going to be in the confessional that given day. Otherwise, you don't know who is behind the screen.
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If you arrive early, you can watch the priest enter the confessional. Then you know who's in there.
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Alternatively, pull the fire alarm, and watch to see who comes out. (No, don't do that.)
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If you arrive early, you can watch the priest enter the confessional. Then you know who's in there.
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Alternatively, pull the fire alarm, and watch to see who comes out. (No, don't do that.)
Yes, that's true. But not everyone knows what a given priest looks like (especially if they are only going for confession and have never assisted at his mass before). One would probably still have to ask another person on the confession line to know for sure.
And lol at pulling the fire alarm.