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Re: List of Oldest living Catholic Bishops and Cardinals:
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2020, 04:04:37 PM »
On the other hand, the seeming "death of the Church" is the result of faithlessness, of apostacy, of bad will. And this cannot be compared to the death of Our Lord.

In my eyes, the destruction of the Church can more aptly compared to the destruction of the Temple A.D. 70. The "Apostate Church" has been trying to kill Our Lord (spiritually) again.
Technically...  The Crucifixion of Our Lord was the result of faithlessness, apostasy and bad will as well...  

The Jews the "people of God" at the time of Christ were to blame.  The Catholics "the people of the Church"  recently were to blame.

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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2020, 04:20:55 PM »
I see no credit given to me. I started a thread like this at least once, with periodic updates every couple years.

Here is one thread from 2014 -- for those without a calculator handy, that's SIX YEARS ago.

https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/three-living-bishops-consecrated-before-death-of-pius-xii/

When I started the thread in 2014, there were TEN such living bishops appointed by Pius XII!

Today there is just one:

27 Apr 195862.07Archbishop Bernardino Piñera CarvalloArchbishop Emeritus of La Serena, Chile


That's 62.07 years A BISHOP, mind you -- not 62 years old. Wow!


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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2020, 04:27:10 PM »
I disagree with XavierSem insofar as he's an apologist for the Neo-SSPX, and therefore focuses too much on the RECOGNIZE and not enough on the RESIST.

Nevertheless, "I approve of this thread" as they say, because I basically made the same argument years ago. He just got probably his only thumbs-up from me...hahaha

But unlike XavierSem, I know and admit the distinctions within the broad category "Sedevacantists" -- I know it's not ALL sedevacantists, but a certain faction of them who will have to "get lost" once this last bishop dies...

Re: List of Oldest living Catholic Bishops and Cardinals:
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2020, 04:38:13 PM »
Technically...  The Crucifixion of Our Lord was the result of faithlessness, apostasy and bad will as well...  

The Jews the "people of God" at the time of Christ were to blame.  The Catholics "the people of the Church"  recently were to blame.


True. And it means that both earn the destruction of the Temple / of the Church (with a few scattered "survivers").

And it does not mean: the faithless "Church" dies like Christ died on the cross (false comparison).

Why would you expect a resurrection, a restoration by supernatural intervention, while there is no indication of any type of repentance at all?


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Re: List of Oldest living Catholic Bishops and Cardinals:
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2020, 04:49:01 PM »
But when does the generation that began in 1965 end? 2035? or supposedly 2085? You said 70 years. But also possibly till 120 years.

I think that's mistaken. The Church of Christ cannot cease to be Apostolic nor lose Her Apostolic Authority. This is clearly taught in the Catholic Encyclopedia. She will always have the Apostolic Mission, Ordinary Jurisdiction, and She will never defect. If all offices in the Church have defected to usurpers, the Church also has defected. Since that is impossible, it could not have taken place, and that explanation is false: Here is the CE on Apostolicity.

"Apostolicity is the mark by which the Church of today is recognized as identical with the Church founded by Jesus Christ upon the Apostles. It is of great importance because it is the surest indication of the true Church of Christ, it is most easily examined, and it virtually contains the other three marks, namely, Unity, Sanctity, and Catholicity ...

Apostolicity of mission is a guarantee of Apostolicity of doctrine. St. Irenæus (Adv. Haeres, IV, xxvi, n. 2) says: "Wherefore we must obey the priests of the Church who have succession from the Apostles, as we have shown, who, together with succession in the episcopate, have received the certain mark of truth according to the will of the Father; all others, however, are to be suspected, who separated themselves from the principal succession", etc. In explaining the concept of Apostolicity, then, special attention must be given to Apostolicity of mission, or Apostolic succession. Apostolicity of mission means that the Church is one moral body, possessing the mission entrusted by Jesus Christ to the Apostles, and transmitted through them and their lawful successors in an unbroken chain to the present representatives of Christ upon earth...

The history of the Catholic Church from St. Peter, the first Pontiff, to the present Head of the Church, is an evident proof of its Apostolicity, for no break can be shown in the line of succession. Cardinal Newman (Diff. of Anglicans, 369) says: "Say there is no church at all if you will, and at least I shall understand you; but do not meddle with a fact attested by mankind." ...

Regarding the Greek Church, it is sufficient to note that it lost apostolic succession by withdrawing from the jurisdiction of the lawful successors of St. Peter in the See of Rome. The same is to be said of the Anglican claims to continuity (MacLaughlin, "Divine Plan of the Church", 213; and, Newman, "Diff. of Angl.", Lecture 12.) for the very fact of separation destroys their jurisdiction. They have based their claims on the validity of orders in the Anglican Church. Anglican orders, however, have been declared invalid. But even if they were valid, the Anglican Church would not be Apostolic, for jurisdiction is essential to the Apostolicity of mission."

But things will be fulfilled in a way now know to God and who knows what prophets holed up in some hole somewhere, and some of us will here may live to see it some day and say, "aha, so that's it!"
 
What Jew prior to the incarnation and coming of the Christ, and the subsequent rising of the Catholic Church and priesthood, would have understood this as being true at the same time the Levitical priesthood of the Old Covenant was destroyed? -

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Jeremiah 33:18
[18] Neither shall there be cut off from the priests and Levites a man before my face to offer h0Ɩ0cαųsts, and to burn sacrifices, and to kill victims continually

Again, too much credit and authority is being given to non-infallible statements of theologians and even of the hierarchy (and even popes) in their fallible, ordinary capacity. 
I attach a screenshot from drbo.org with a fuller presentation (with Challoner's notes) of the Jeremiah 33 passage.