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Re: List of Oldest living Catholic Bishops and Cardinals:
« Reply #135 on: June 28, 2020, 10:55:19 AM »
This is all in the interests of pushing this bogus Pius XII bishop as the only "pure" one left.
This nonsense about a pure bishop is tiresome. Why is it that nobody can know his name. There is no address and no phone number.
Where does he say Mass? Or is he a figment of someone's fevered imagination?

Re: List of Oldest living Catholic Bishops and Cardinals:
« Reply #136 on: June 28, 2020, 11:23:16 AM »
This nonsense about a pure bishop is tiresome. Why is it that nobody can know his name. There is no address and no phone number.
Where does he say Mass? Or is he a figment of someone's fevered imagination?
I agree with you Endeavor, I myself have asked for his name only to be met with silence. I am only searching because of the distress this has caused my family, I am starting to think that "sedevacantistism" is just poppycock and full of charlatans 


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: List of Oldest living Catholic Bishops and Cardinals:
« Reply #137 on: June 28, 2020, 12:54:55 PM »
Or is he a figment of someone's fevered imagination?

This is very likely the case.  Or the man is a con artist like Ambrose Moran.

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Re: List of Oldest living Catholic Bishops and Cardinals:
« Reply #138 on: June 28, 2020, 02:46:16 PM »
REDACTED.

Offline DecemRationis

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Re: List of Oldest living Catholic Bishops and Cardinals:
« Reply #139 on: July 06, 2020, 04:53:29 PM »
The oldest living Bishops are mentioned here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_living_Catholic_bishops_and_cardinals

This is a question to sedevacantists: Will any length of purported interregnum make you re-think whether we really are in an interregnum? Even if you think a 62-year interregnum is still possible, does a 65 or at least a 70 year interregnum stretch the limit?

Why does the time matter? Because, Bishops receive Appointment to Office by the Pope that Appoints them. Of every Bishop, it can be said, Bishop X received his Authority from Pope Y. Thus, the Apostolic Succession and the Petrine Succession are intimately connected.

Hence, it follows also from the Dogma of Apostolicity that the Church cannot be without Successors to St. Peter forever. For the Petrine Succession being thereby disrupted, the Apostolic Succession also will eventually cease, when all Papally-Appointed-Bishops finally die.

Take a look at the link. Only one Bishop was Consecrated in 1958. (That Bishop was Appointed only in 1960 per http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bpinc.html) Only 4 living Bishops were Consecrated before 3 Jun 1963. Another 4, 8 in all, were Consecrated by 1965.

So has not the hypothesis of an interregnum or sede vacante starting in 1958, at least, been demonstrably falsified by this point? Will not the idea of a sede vacante starting in 1962 or 1965 be clearly disproven in just another few years? At some point, sedevacantism, being only a human opinion, and not a divine dogma, must give place to reason, and admit itself falsified by the length of interregnum. If it is true that the Church needs perpetual Successors to St. Peter, that She must always remain Apostolic not only in Orders but also in Jurisdiction or Apostolic Authority, and that Bishops receive Authority only from the Roman Pontiff, at the very least a 65 or 70 year interregnum with no pre-65 Bishops remaining must be adjudged impossible by Catholics conscious of these doctrines and dogmas.

Thoughts?
In one of his interviews with Louis Verracchio, John Lane addresses this argument:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2883&v=3I8oMvnbKLc


In an email exchange he had Salza and Sisco, he summed the argument up thus:


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I point out that the acts of jurisdiction of a putative pope would be valid by virtue of supplied jurisdiction, so that the extinction of the hierarchy is not even a concern, let alone an imminent threat to the notion that Paul VI, for example, was not pope. So, I say that if you can show me why sedevacantism as such leads necessarily to the extinction of the hierarchy, please do so.

http://www.sedevacantist.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1840&sid=31a1abd1c49dac27a9ca95a359f500dd


If I find the substantive argument in writing, I'll post it.