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Re: List being taken for Gov't of names of all Mass Attendees... Advice?
« Reply #105 on: October 01, 2020, 01:05:49 PM »

Who's the pastor there??
Presumably Fr. Soos:
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Vaccines with aborted baby cells are bad enough, but when you learn about the dangers that almost all vaccine cause, it seem that any priests would never allow their faithful to put their children at risks. 

Simplehomschooler, take a look at some of these videos and articles and then find a select few to show to Fr. Soos. Let him see the evidence that the risk far outweighs any advantage of preventing the disease.  
https://www.vacinfo.org/

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Re: List being taken for Gov't of names of all Mass Attendees... Advice?
« Reply #106 on: October 01, 2020, 01:56:21 PM »
Not exactly. I don't mean to derail this thread, but the Divine Law of the 3rd Commandment is to keep the Sabbath day holy. When the Law was instituted and written, that day was on Saturday. The Catholic Church, using the Keys of Heaven given to Peter, changed that day to Sunday. Nonetheless, the Law is to keep the Sabbath day holy, not Sunday per se.
Yes, I was going to say the Sabbath Day, but for us, that day *is* Sunday. The point is, going to Mass on Sundays and Holy Days are not Divine Law. The Church made it obligatory that we assist at Mass that day - and also Holy Days of Obligation.

The easiest way to know the difference between Divine Law and Ecclesiastical Law is that the Church can change laws she has made, for example in this case, she can add or remove holy days or even remove the Sunday/Holy Day obligation temporarily for the scamdemic. But Divine Law she can never change because those laws are the laws given us by God which are found in Scripture, and also dogma. 

  


Re: List being taken for Gov't of names of all Mass Attendees... Advice?
« Reply #107 on: October 01, 2020, 02:49:11 PM »
Presumably Fr. Soos:
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Is this being done by his direction?

Re: List being taken for Gov't of names of all Mass Attendees... Advice?
« Reply #108 on: October 01, 2020, 03:41:18 PM »
Ha ha.  You responded to me, and I was talking about Mass during persecution times, then you said you weren't talking about that.  Then why did you respond?  Confusing as usual.
Actually, you responded to me first when you responded to this post (note the bolded part where I very clearly express my focus):

Hmm.  What if this isn't a matter of persecution but a matter of scandal?  Doesn't attendance imply consent/cooperation with the state's immoral requirements (ie. taking down a person's name without their consent? wearing masks before communion, etc, etc)?  Where is the line drawn?  One must assist at a valid mass regardless of what goes on at the mass?

You're either lying or unable to admit you're wrong.

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Re: List being taken for Gov't of names of all Mass Attendees... Advice?
« Reply #109 on: October 01, 2020, 03:56:04 PM »
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The point is, going to Mass on Sundays and Holy Days are not Divine Law. The Church made it obligatory that we assist at Mass that day
There is no contradiction between Divine Law and Church Law.  The Divine Law commands we offer sacrifice to God.  In the New Testament, such sacrifice is Holy Mass.  
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The old law required an annual sacrifice for sin; similar to our annual requirement to go to confession once a year.  But could the Church get rid of this annual confession rule?  I would say ‘no’, because it has its roots in the Old Testament, which came from God (ie Divine Law).
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In the same way, the weekly requirement for Sunday Mass is a Church Law, yes, but does that mean it ORIGINATED with St Peter?  In other words, is the Sunday Mass requirement a creation of the Church, which could be done away with entirely? No, it cannot.  The requirement for Sunday Mass would have to be considered part of Tradition, ie an order from Christ to the Apostles, so it is Divine Law, made know through the Church.  
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Holy Days of obligation are strictly Church laws and almost all (except Christmas, which feast has been celebrated since Apostolic Times) could be, in theory, removed from the calendar.