Perhaps Fr Pagliarani isn’t going to sound like Lefebvre with his strong condemnations, because the battlefield has changed in the last 30 years. Believe it or not there are a lot of non-Catholics and Protestants watching what is going on this time. Many of them wanting to join the Church and fight for Tradition with us. Some are newly joined.
And just as important are the Novus Ordo Catholics, that group didn’t exist before as they do today. Many of them now waking up to this post-conciliar nightmare and wondering where to go from here. And so perhaps the language of these statements is going to be different than what the resistance is used to seeing.
Because the fact is, many are coming in late (and most wouldn’t know who ‘the resistance’ was) but that doesn’t mean they don’t love the truth or want to fight for it too.
Better late than never, right?

Would you be able to say how it is that you know many non-Catholics and Protestants want to join the Church and fight for Tradition? It's not that I don't believe it exactly, but that I haven't seen any indication of it. Or that there are Novus Ordo Catholics are waking up to the post-conciliar nightmare and wondering where to go. If true, this would be a good thing. Maybe you have access to sources that most of us haven't yet seen.

"The Society of Saint Pius X has the duty to assist all those souls who are currently in dismay and are confused. Firstly, we have the duty to offer them the certitude that the Tridentine Mass can never disappear from the face of the earth. This is an absolutely necessary sign of hope." ..."Moreover, each of us, whether priest or faithful, must extend a warm helping hand to them, for he who has no desire to share the riches he enjoys is, in all truth, unworthy of possessing them."


I get a feeling this situation will lead to a Prelature by fact if not later by law.

My warning to SSPX; make sure you educate the new comers before letting them run lose among the faithful.

Exactly! It sounded to me like a call to unite "the clans" under the Prelature. Una Voce Malta warned that even the SSPX would only be permitted to keep the 1962 missal for a couple of years or so and then to the new missal every one.

Cardinal Burke said yesterday that there is a mistranslation from the Italian on Art. 1 of the MP. The word "unique" should be ONLY. That means that Art.1 considers the N.O. the ONLY expression of the Roman Rite. If Francis gives them the Prelature now, there is only one direction they are going.

Perhaps Fr Pagliarani isn’t going to sound like Lefebvre with his strong condemnations, because the battlefield has changed in the last 30 years. Believe it or not there are a lot of non-Catholics and Protestants watching what is going on this time. Many of them wanting to join the Church and fight for Tradition with us. Some are newly joined.
And just as important are the Novus Ordo Catholics, that group didn’t exist before as they do today. Many of them now waking up to this post-conciliar nightmare and wondering where to go from here. And so perhaps the language of these statements is going to be different than what the resistance is used to seeing.
Because the fact is, many are coming in late (and most wouldn’t know who ‘the resistance’ was) but that doesn’t mean they don’t love the truth or want to fight for it too.
Better late than never, right?

We need aggiornamento, in other words. Carissima here speaks just like a rank Modernist.

I thought the letter was pretty solid, as far as it went.

It just didn’t go far enough (eg., several implications would seem to follow from what it did say, but Fr. didn’t go into any of them).

As others have noted, no references to Lefebvre, or how this MP affects the ralliement of the SSPX.  No tip of the hat to the Resistance or Williamson for saving the SSPX.  

All that said, it’s clear that Fr. P is 3 notches to the right of +Fellay (who no longer would speak of a conciliar religion opposing a Catholic religion, or of churchmen forsaking the salvific mission of the Church for a humanist one, or of the conciliar ecclesiology representing a rupture with the preconciliar ecclesiology, etc.).

That was all forbidden under +Fellay.

Pretty obvious to me that he was greatly influenced by Fr. Alvaro Calderon while in Argentina, as he notes humanism as the root problem of the Council, just as Calderon does in “Prometheus.”

What I want to see is whether, now that the accord is out of reach, will the branding muzzle come off?

If not, it will prove the Non Possumus assessment correct.

Being an optimistically pessimistic misanthropic ursine by nature - albeit highly selective in my applied misanthropy - I see the neoSSPX about to reap the rewards of its own version of Operation Barbarossa. Trying to reach an accord with the conciliarists MIGHT (shucks a bit optimism here after all!) end up as well as the Werhmacht did in Mother Russia.

You’re a newbie so let me help you.
It isn’t modernist for Catholics to extend their hands to others, it is called ‘Charity’.
Are you offended I didn't include the Sedes

I’m far from a newbie here. Only my name is new.

Would you be able to say how it is that you know many non-Catholics and Protestants want to join the Church and fight for Tradition? It's not that I don't believe it exactly, but that I haven't seen any indication of it. Or that there are Novus Ordo Catholics are waking up to the post-conciliar nightmare and wondering where to go. If true, this would be a good thing. Maybe you have access to sources that most of us haven't yet seen.

Sure Meg,
Here is Vigano earlier today
“I intend to offer it to the reading and reflection of all the faithful, Catholics and also non-Catholics, so that each one can draw from it prophetic clarity and apostolic courage in the very hard war that we are all called to face, a war whose inevitable outcome will be the triumph of the Bride of Christ over the unleashing of the infernal powers.”