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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2025, 01:17:05 PM »
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  •                             Pope Leo XIII


    Yeah... looks like the Vatican wardrobe crew did their research.

    Using Papal attire to imitate conservative Popes is part of the spectacle.

    It's what the Pope says and does that bellies where his heart is.

    For this papacy show, Robert Prevost will be using Bergolio's script writers.

    Of course.  It's all part of the deception.  They're very good at it.  Vestments.  Latin.  Must be Traditionalist.  :facepalm:  Pay no attention to heresy being spewed.

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    Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
    « Reply #16 on: May 18, 2025, 07:16:09 PM »
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  • Apparently in his sermon today Leo said that Francis is in heaven.  So there ya have it.......
    Yep.

    https://x.com/austeni/status/1924054011902071193

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    Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
    « Reply #17 on: May 19, 2025, 10:15:10 AM »
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  • Apparently in his sermon today Leo said that Francis is in heaven.

    They're fast-tracking his canonization.  There are rumors it'll be next month.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
    « Reply #18 on: May 19, 2025, 06:35:20 PM »
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  • https://bigmodernism.substack.com/p/canonizing-confusion?r=5mfttc&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true


    Canonizing Confusion
    In his first week, Pope Leo XIV declared Francis in Heaven and praised a universalist schismatic as a saint. Far from a restoration, this is a reinforcement with better vestments.

    Chris Jackson    May 18,2025

    In his Regina Caeli address on May 18, Leo said: “During Mass, I strongly felt the spiritual presence of Pope Francis accompanying us from Heaven.” There was no “may he rest in peace,” no theological caution, and no appeal to mystery. Just a public declaration at St. Peter’s placing Pope Francis in the Communion of Saints, as if canonization is assumed instead of being discerned. This is not a throwaway line, but rather the theological endorsement of the Francis papacy delivered from the altar.

    Four days earlier, on May 14, Leo praised Isaac of Nineveh, a seventh-century bishop who died outside communion with Rome, belonged to the Assyrian Church of the East (a Nestorian sect), rejected the Council of Chalcedon, and advocated a mystical universalism, including compassion for demons. He had previously been scandalously added to the Roman Martyrology by Francis. Leo quoted Isaac approvingly and called him “a great Eastern Father.” The official Vatican transcript refers to him as “Saint Isaac of Nineveh.” This is not a scholar citing a distant theologian, but rather the pope presenting a heretical mystic as a spiritual authority without clarification, context, or concern.

    What links Francis and Isaac? They are canonized not by dogmatic discernment, but by emotions and ecuмenism. Francis is elevated for being merciful and modern. Isaac is praised because he is an Orthodox “Saint.” In both cases, doctrinal rupture is forgiven for the sake of pastoral and ecuмenical sentiment. Truth is being replaced by tone and politics.
    There was a moment, brief and early, when it seemed Leo might take a quieter path. That perhaps he would let the chaos of Francis fade, restoring tradition by slow neglect. But that illusion is gone. Not with formal declarations, but with unmistakable symbols. Leo now says Francis is in Heaven and that Isaac is a saint. The postconciliar agenda continues. This is far from a reform of the Francis and post-Conciliar papacies. Instead it is a reaffirmation of both with Latin and lace.
    We are being told that one can be outside the Church and still be a “saint.” That one can propagate universalism and still be spiritually reliable. That one can wreck doctrine and still be canonized by sentiment. This is not Catholicism, it is canonized confusion.

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    Leo XIV committed to synodality and ecuмenism.
    « Reply #19 on: May 20, 2025, 02:48:52 AM »
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  • https://x.com/MLJHaynes/status/1924385457766314017


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    NEW: Leo XIV today committed to synodality and ecuмenism.
    Speaking to ecuмenical delegates who attended his opening Mass --
    “Aware, moreover, that synodality & ecuмenism are closely linked, I would like to assure you of my intention to continue Pope Francis’ commitment to promoting the synodal nature of the Catholic Church & developing new & concrete forms for an ever stronger synodality in ecuмenical relations.”



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    Re: Leo XIV committed to synodality and ecuмenism.
    « Reply #20 on: May 20, 2025, 07:54:25 AM »
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  • https://x.com/MLJHaynes/status/1924385457766314017

    Of course.  What did anyone think, that he was going to declare Vatican II null?

    That's what this new religion is about, ecuмenism, religious indifferentism, and the new soteriology (universal salvation and/or salvation by sincerity and nitheness).

    He'd have the repudiate the entire Conciliar religion, and short of a miraculous conversion, it's not going to happen.

    We have Tay-Tay Marshall just fawning all over the "liturgical" direction of Pervost, because he said something that sounded good to him about Eastern Rite liturgies.

    Haven't all the Traditional Catholic clergy (at least in the early glory days) repeatedly preached that none of this is about the smells and the bells ... but about doctrine.

    This dispute about Pervost really has to do with whether or not you consider the Conciliar Church to have just been the Catholic Church but veering off course to the Left ... and therefore are awaiting some course corrections back toward the right, and think that'll fix the problem.  Or whether you believe that the Conciliar Church is substantially defective, rotten to the core ... where the only remedy is to declare Vatican II null and absolish the NOM (and for us SVs to also declare the Conciliar papal claimants to have been illegitimate ... while for the rest to anathematize them).

    Bergoglio was given to the Trad, Inc. conservative Conciliars as a last chance gift by God to open their eyes, where it was giving them a chance to get out of the Conciliar Religion, realizing in Bergoglio what it was.  Some (like +Vigano) cooperated with that grace.  Others have snapped right back into line now that Leo is up there muttering a bit of Latin and using nicer vestments (which people of certain orientations are, BTW, naturally inclined toward anyway).


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    Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
    « Reply #22 on: May 20, 2025, 10:51:35 AM »
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  • who is the guy in the middle?
    Leo XIV
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    Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
    « Reply #23 on: May 20, 2025, 11:11:15 AM »
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  • Leo XIV
    oh. it looks nothing like him

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    Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
    « Reply #24 on: May 20, 2025, 11:17:16 AM »
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  • oh. it looks nothing like him

    Right.  I just inferred it from context, but it doesn't look much like him.  It almost looks more like Bergoglio, so is that done on purpose?

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    Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
    « Reply #25 on: May 20, 2025, 05:17:27 PM »
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  • https://www.newwaysministry.org/2025/05/19/pope-leo-wants-diversity-in-unity-peruvian-lgbtq-leaders-say-he-has-good-experience/
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    Pope Leo Wants Diversity in Unity. Peruvian LGBTQ+ Leaders Say He Has Good Experience.
    May 19, 2025/0 Comments/in Pope Leo XIV /by Jeromiah Taylor

    Pope Leo XIV offering his homily at his inauguration Mass.

    Pope Leo XIV was officially inaugurated yesterday as the 267th pope. In his homily, the new pontiff expressed the goal of unity in the church, but not at the expense of differences.  He said:
    “The Apostle Peter . . . . is called to serve the faith of his brothers and sisters, and to walk alongside them, for all of us are ‘living stones’ (1 Pet 2:5), called through our baptism to build God’s house in fraternal communion, in the harmony of the Spirit, in the coexistence of diversity. In the words of St. Augustine: ‘The Church consists of all those who are in harmony with their brothers and sisters and who love their neighbor’ (Serm. 359,9).
    “Brothers and sisters, I would like that our first great desire be for a united Church, a sign of unity and communion, which becomes a leaven for a reconciled world….
    “….We are called to offer God’s love to everyone, in order to achieve that unity which does not cancel out differences but values the personal history of each person and the social and religious culture of every people.”
    Last week The Washington Blade reported responses to Leo’s papal election from several notable LGBTQ+ Peruvians  who knew of him and his ministry when he served as bishop of the Chiclayo, Peru. The themes of diversity and unity were present in many of their responses, as they expressed optimism for Leo’s papacy.
    George Hale

    , director of finance and institutional development at Promsex, a feminist sɛҳuąƖ advocacy group that is based in Lima, emphasized Leo’s demonstrated commitment to synodality and his leadership record in Peru as encouraging signs:
    “Leo XIV is deeply familiar with inequality, abuses of power, popular religiosity, and the pain of a society scarred by classism and exclusion. His support for victims of the Sodalitium scandal showed a courageous figure willing to listen when others remained silent.”
    Hale characterized the Church’s role in advancing LGBTQ+ justice as one of moderating its rhetoric, rather than explicitly endorsing particular measures:
    “He (Leo) doesn’t appear to be a hostile figure. But he’s not pushing for radical reform either. He won’t lead the fight for same-sex marriage or trans rights. But his more humane tone — his closeness to those on the margins — can help de-escalate hate speech, especially in a country like ours.”
    Susel Paredes

    Peruvian Congresswoman Susel Paredes, a lesbian, concurred with Hale’s assessments of Leo and of the Church’s role in civil debates about LGBTQ+ issues:
    “There are very conservative factions within the church, outright enemies of our rights. But there’s also space for love of neighbor, as Jesus taught. Even if Pope Leo XIV were to chart a path toward full inclusion of LGBTQ people, resistance would remain. These things don’t change overnight …
    “Pope Francis spoke of a church where ‘everyone, everyone, everyone’ walks together without distinction. Leo XIV was already part of that vision when he worked in some of Peru’s poorest areas. That gives us hope and reason to watch his papacy with expectation …
    “Rights are granted by laws, and the separation of church and state must remain fundamental. That’s where progress happens, in secular legislation …
    “Yes — it’s a breath of fresh air to have a pope who doesn’t slam the door shut, who has walked with Peru’s most excluded. That gives us encouragement to keep going.”
    Alberto de Belaund

    Former Congressman Alberto de Belaund, who the Blade called one of Peru’s “few openly-gαy political figures,” also testified to Leo’s synodal focus, and his intellectual and pastoral capacities. De Belaund cited Leo’s tenure on the university assembly at the Pontifical Catholic University of Peru:
    “Unlike other pontifical universities, the PUCP is progressive and diverse. Monsignor [Bishop] Prevost always demonstrated a remarkable ability to dialogue and showed respect for differing views. That speaks volumes about both his intellectual and pastoral approach.”
    De Belaunde reiterated the enormous impact that rhetorical shifts from hierarchs can have in deeply Catholic countries where LGBTQ+ people are legally discriminated against:
    “Sometimes, even just a change in tone makes a difference. I grew up under the influence of Pope John Paul II and Bishop Cipriani, both known for confrontational rhetoric. When the pope says things like ‘Who am I to judge?’ — it doesn’t change doctrine, but it humanizes the discourse. And that matters.”
    —Jeromiah Taylor, New Ways Ministry, May 19, 2025
     



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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
    « Reply #26 on: May 20, 2025, 07:24:31 PM »
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  • Peruvian LGBTQ+ Leaders Say He Has Good Experience.

    One can't help but wonder what they mean by this.

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    Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
    « Reply #27 on: May 21, 2025, 06:51:15 AM »
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  • In two words, they’re implying pope Bob is a communist queer.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
    « Reply #28 on: May 21, 2025, 10:34:44 AM »
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  • In two words, they’re implying pope Bob is a communist queer.
    :laugh1:

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    Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
    « Reply #29 on: May 21, 2025, 11:22:38 AM »
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  • I think this "pope" proves these guys are just political figureheads ONLY. I don't even think they even care about the Latin Mass/Dogma, it doesn't matter. This really nails the head in the coffin that only a miracle can bring the real Church back out of eclipse.