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Title: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Ladislaus on May 16, 2025, 11:27:44 AM
Here's one from May 14 (cited by TIA) ...

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Let us reject the Manichean notions so typical of that mindset of violence that divides the world into those who are good and those who are evil.

Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Incredulous on May 16, 2025, 12:46:08 PM
More background...


Dear TIA,

Delivering a talk on May 14, to the Prelates of Catholic Eastern Rites meeting in Rome, Pope Leo XIV affirmed (https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiv/en/speeches/2025/may/docuмents/20250514-giubileo-chiese-orientali.html) that those who believe there is good and evil have “Manichaean notions.” I quote his very words:

“Those who make history are the peacemakers, not those who sow seeds of suffering. Our neighbors are not first our enemies, but our fellow human beings; not criminals to be hated, but other men and women with whom we can speak. Let us reject the Manichean notions so typical of that mindset of violence that divides the world into those who are good and those who are evil.

Now then, if all those who distinguish between good and evil would profess “Manichean notions,” not only all Catholic Saints would be included in this category, but Our Lord Jesus Christ also. He founded the Catholic Church as a militant institution based upon the combat of good against evil, truth against error. When Pope Leo XIV makes this generic accusation, he is greatly simplifying reality and inducing Catholics into error.

Indeed, Manichaeism is wrong not because it says that there is good and evil, but because it sustains that in the beginning of everything there were two equally almighty principles, one good and one evil, which would explain good and evil in Creation as reflections of these two principles. This is the metaphysical error of Manichaeism.

The Catholic explanation for the existence of evil is different. In the beginning was only one good almighty principle, God, who created everything good. Then, one of His creatures, Satan, revolted and, throughout History, leads the cohorts of evil creatures – angels and men – against the good ones. This is the moral origin of evil. It explains perfectly the reality we have before our eyes.

So, both the Manicheans and the Catholics admit the existence of evil and good, although for opposed reasons.

When Pope Leo XIV implies that all those who admit good and evil are Manicheans, he is misleading his flock and inducing Catholics to abandon militancy and become pacifists.

Leo XIV started to show his colors very early… only six days after being elected Pope.

     In Christ Jesus,

     E.J.

______________________



Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: gladius_veritatis on May 16, 2025, 01:32:55 PM
So what?  He's Pope, by golly!! :fryingpan:

Just pray for him and carry on with more of that modern so-called obedience, which only appears to be rank disobedience. :laugh1:
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Ladislaus on May 16, 2025, 03:28:25 PM
Yeah, the context is clearly relativizing good and evil.

It's not that, well, we all have a certain evil (aka privation of due good) within us.  It's about the phenomenological / relativistic your truth is truth, and my truth is truth, and your moral standard is OK as long as you live by the light of your conscience (i.e. can justify your adultery or sodomy in the "internal forum"), etc.

I'm good, you're good, we're all good.  Only question is whether he'll consistently apply that to Trads, whereas Bergoglio made a notable exception for Trads.  All religions lead to God, except Traditional Catholicism.
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Incredulous on May 16, 2025, 05:29:33 PM


             Official Vatican Portrait                     
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Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Persto on May 16, 2025, 05:46:57 PM

            Official Vatican Portrait                   
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fblogger.googleusercontent.com%2Fimg%2Fb%2FR29vZ2xl%2FAVvXsEhvoydNNOrLDqIl_Fp1OpWPBEeHUNVsGh-EFdkizUNNLP0ISIWJg5xluDKmhdKTkpCyl_R_bJuPaWyLdb3JKXvdddhmy6SB3NHsT214nKE-phGN256ecwFDXaTO8SaNj_-ZZBVuszP5i8N6WRYR4XZ4GEL1gUFc4OH5Bn3_vdc_gifK1oVS9MpdOBgh8YsQ%2Fs1600%2Fpopeleoxivofficial.jpeg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=c11ec2a8aca321e6a1d89dc5e3cb1ae1258f0f00bd8f61141aab22f3e5a63392)
Very telling that their is no Christ on his cross !
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: trento on May 16, 2025, 09:23:19 PM
Very telling that their is no Christ on his cross !
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Portrait_of_Archbishop_Marcel_Lefebvre_%E2%80%93_edited.jpg)
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Incredulous on May 16, 2025, 11:42:26 PM

                             Pope Leo XIII
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fthecatholicheroes.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F10%2Fpope-leo-xiii.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=8d17ad58eb821f750e07687c307efebaff31e42a182da9054d91bdd914613b6c)

Yeah... looks like the Vatican wardrobe crew did their research.

Using Papal attire to imitate conservative Popes is part of the spectacle.

It's what the Pope says and does that bellies where his heart is.

For this papacy show, Robert Prevost will be using Bergolio's script writers.



Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: phillips on May 17, 2025, 03:41:00 AM
resistance to deception is obedience to God
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Persto on May 17, 2025, 07:28:15 PM
https://youtu.be/WV_FYAMjwIA
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Incredulous on May 17, 2025, 08:56:28 PM
https://youtu.be/WV_FYAMjwIA

Another clerical, Irish-apostate clown act.
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Persto on May 18, 2025, 12:15:43 PM
https://youtu.be/Tm2BdnYKgGY

https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/mhfm-leo-xiv-the-shocking-truth-almost-no-one-is-talking-about/
Posted by WorldsAway - it applies to this thread also - so reposting it here


Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: MiracleOfTheSun on May 18, 2025, 12:34:25 PM
At the 0:17 mark - has anyone told those dudes that the pansy method is not how men shake hands?
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on May 18, 2025, 12:59:42 PM
Apparently in his sermon today Leo said that Francis is in heaven.  So there ya have it.......
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Ladislaus on May 18, 2025, 01:14:45 PM
Apparently in his sermon today Leo said that Francis is in heaven.  So there ya have it.......

santo subito Bergoglio

Yeah, Novus Ordites say that about everyone though.
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Ladislaus on May 18, 2025, 01:17:05 PM
                            Pope Leo XIII
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fthecatholicheroes.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F10%2Fpope-leo-xiii.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=8d17ad58eb821f750e07687c307efebaff31e42a182da9054d91bdd914613b6c)

Yeah... looks like the Vatican wardrobe crew did their research.

Using Papal attire to imitate conservative Popes is part of the spectacle.

It's what the Pope says and does that bellies where his heart is.

For this papacy show, Robert Prevost will be using Bergolio's script writers.

Of course.  It's all part of the deception.  They're very good at it.  Vestments.  Latin.  Must be Traditionalist.  :facepalm:  Pay no attention to heresy being spewed.
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: 2Vermont on May 18, 2025, 07:16:09 PM
Apparently in his sermon today Leo said that Francis is in heaven.  So there ya have it.......
Yep.

https://x.com/austeni/status/1924054011902071193

:facepalm:
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: gladius_veritatis on May 19, 2025, 10:15:10 AM
Apparently in his sermon today Leo said that Francis is in heaven.

They're fast-tracking his canonization.  There are rumors it'll be next month.
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Persto on May 19, 2025, 06:35:20 PM
https://bigmodernism.substack.com/p/canonizing-confusion?r=5mfttc&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true
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Canonizing Confusion
In his first week, Pope Leo XIV declared Francis in Heaven and praised a universalist schismatic as a saint. Far from a restoration, this is a reinforcement with better vestments.

Chris Jackson (https://substack.com/@chrisjackson221506)    May 18,2025

In his Regina Caeli address on May 18, Leo said: “During Mass, I strongly felt the spiritual presence of Pope Francis accompanying us from Heaven.” There was no “may he rest in peace,” no theological caution, and no appeal to mystery. Just a public declaration at St. Peter’s placing Pope Francis in the Communion of Saints, as if canonization is assumed instead of being discerned. This is not a throwaway line, but rather the theological endorsement of the Francis papacy delivered from the altar.

Four days earlier, on May 14, Leo praised Isaac of Nineveh, a seventh-century bishop who died outside communion with Rome, belonged to the Assyrian Church of the East (a Nestorian sect), rejected the Council of Chalcedon, and advocated a mystical universalism, including compassion for demons. He had previously been scandalously added to the Roman Martyrology by Francis. Leo quoted Isaac approvingly and called him “a great Eastern Father.” The official Vatican transcript refers to him as “Saint Isaac of Nineveh.” This is not a scholar citing a distant theologian, but rather the pope presenting a heretical mystic as a spiritual authority without clarification, context, or concern.

What links Francis and Isaac? They are canonized not by dogmatic discernment, but by emotions and ecuмenism. Francis is elevated for being merciful and modern. Isaac is praised because he is an Orthodox “Saint.” In both cases, doctrinal rupture is forgiven for the sake of pastoral and ecuмenical sentiment. Truth is being replaced by tone and politics.
There was a moment, brief and early, when it seemed Leo might take a quieter path. That perhaps he would let the chaos of Francis fade, restoring tradition by slow neglect. But that illusion is gone. Not with formal declarations, but with unmistakable symbols. Leo now says Francis is in Heaven and that Isaac is a saint. The postconciliar agenda continues. This is far from a reform of the Francis and post-Conciliar papacies. Instead it is a reaffirmation of both with Latin and lace.
We are being told that one can be outside the Church and still be a “saint.” That one can propagate universalism and still be spiritually reliable. That one can wreck doctrine and still be canonized by sentiment. This is not Catholicism, it is canonized confusion.

Title: Leo XIV committed to synodality and ecuмenism.
Post by: AnthonyPadua on May 20, 2025, 02:48:52 AM
https://x.com/MLJHaynes/status/1924385457766314017


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NEW: Leo XIV today committed to synodality and ecuмenism.
Speaking to ecuмenical delegates who attended his opening Mass --
“Aware, moreover, that synodality & ecuмenism are closely linked, I would like to assure you of my intention to continue Pope Francis’ commitment to promoting the synodal nature of the Catholic Church & developing new & concrete forms for an ever stronger synodality in ecuмenical relations.”

Title: Re: Leo XIV committed to synodality and ecuмenism.
Post by: Ladislaus on May 20, 2025, 07:54:25 AM
https://x.com/MLJHaynes/status/1924385457766314017

Of course.  What did anyone think, that he was going to declare Vatican II null?

That's what this new religion is about, ecuмenism, religious indifferentism, and the new soteriology (universal salvation and/or salvation by sincerity and nitheness).

He'd have the repudiate the entire Conciliar religion, and short of a miraculous conversion, it's not going to happen.

We have Tay-Tay Marshall just fawning all over the "liturgical" direction of Pervost, because he said something that sounded good to him about Eastern Rite liturgies.

Haven't all the Traditional Catholic clergy (at least in the early glory days) repeatedly preached that none of this is about the smells and the bells ... but about doctrine.

This dispute about Pervost really has to do with whether or not you consider the Conciliar Church to have just been the Catholic Church but veering off course to the Left ... and therefore are awaiting some course corrections back toward the right, and think that'll fix the problem.  Or whether you believe that the Conciliar Church is substantially defective, rotten to the core ... where the only remedy is to declare Vatican II null and absolish the NOM (and for us SVs to also declare the Conciliar papal claimants to have been illegitimate ... while for the rest to anathematize them).

Bergoglio was given to the Trad, Inc. conservative Conciliars as a last chance gift by God to open their eyes, where it was giving them a chance to get out of the Conciliar Religion, realizing in Bergoglio what it was.  Some (like +Vigano) cooperated with that grace.  Others have snapped right back into line now that Leo is up there muttering a bit of Latin and using nicer vestments (which people of certain orientations are, BTW, naturally inclined toward anyway).
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: phillips on May 20, 2025, 10:45:08 AM
https://bigmodernism.substack.com/p/canonizing-confusion?r=5mfttc&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true
(https://i.imgur.com/4FA0TE2.png)

who is the guy in the middle?
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Persto on May 20, 2025, 10:51:35 AM
who is the guy in the middle?
Leo XIV
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: phillips on May 20, 2025, 11:11:15 AM
Leo XIV
oh. it looks nothing like him
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Ladislaus on May 20, 2025, 11:17:16 AM
oh. it looks nothing like him

Right.  I just inferred it from context, but it doesn't look much like him.  It almost looks more like Bergoglio, so is that done on purpose?
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Persto on May 20, 2025, 05:17:27 PM
https://www.newwaysministry.org/2025/05/19/pope-leo-wants-diversity-in-unity-peruvian-lgbtq-leaders-say-he-has-good-experience/
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Pope Leo Wants Diversity in Unity. Peruvian LGBTQ+ Leaders Say He Has Good Experience.
May 19, 2025/0 Comments (https://www.newwaysministry.org/2025/05/19/pope-leo-wants-diversity-in-unity-peruvian-lgbtq-leaders-say-he-has-good-experience/#respond)/in Pope Leo XIV (https://www.newwaysministry.org/category/pope-leo-xiv/) /by Jeromiah Taylor (https://www.newwaysministry.org/author/jeromiah-taylornewwaysministry-org/)
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Pope Leo XIV offering his homily at his inauguration Mass.

Pope Leo XIV was officially inaugurated yesterday as the 267th pope. In his homily, the new pontiff expressed the goal of unity in the church, but not at the expense of differences.  He said:
“The Apostle Peter . . . . is called to serve the faith of his brothers and sisters, and to walk alongside them, for all of us are ‘living stones’ (1 Pet 2:5), called through our baptism to build God’s house in fraternal communion, in the harmony of the Spirit, in the coexistence of diversity. In the words of St. Augustine: ‘The Church consists of all those who are in harmony with their brothers and sisters and who love their neighbor’ (Serm. 359,9).
“Brothers and sisters, I would like that our first great desire be for a united Church, a sign of unity and communion, which becomes a leaven for a reconciled world….
“….We are called to offer God’s love to everyone, in order to achieve that unity which does not cancel out differences but values the personal history of each person and the social and religious culture of every people.”
Last week The Washington Blade reported responses to Leo’s papal election from several notable LGBTQ+ Peruvians  who knew of him and his ministry when he served as bishop of the Chiclayo, Peru. The themes of diversity and unity were present in many of their responses, as they expressed optimism for Leo’s papacy.
George Hale(https://i0.wp.com/www.newwaysministry.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/George_Escritorio_Color-100-705x385-1.jpg?resize=388%2C212&ssl=1)

, director of finance and institutional development at Promsex, a feminist sɛҳuąƖ advocacy group that is based in Lima, emphasized Leo’s demonstrated commitment to synodality and his leadership record in Peru as encouraging signs:
“Leo XIV is deeply familiar with inequality, abuses of power, popular religiosity, and the pain of a society scarred by classism and exclusion. His support for victims of the Sodalitium scandal showed a courageous figure willing to listen when others remained silent.”
Hale characterized the Church’s role in advancing LGBTQ+ justice as one of moderating its rhetoric, rather than explicitly endorsing particular measures:
“He (Leo) doesn’t appear to be a hostile figure. But he’s not pushing for radical reform either. He won’t lead the fight for same-sex marriage or trans rights. But his more humane tone — his closeness to those on the margins — can help de-escalate hate speech, especially in a country like ours.”
Susel Paredes(https://www.newwaysministry.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Susel-Paredes.avif)

Peruvian Congresswoman Susel Paredes, a lesbian, concurred with Hale’s assessments of Leo and of the Church’s role in civil debates about LGBTQ+ issues:
“There are very conservative factions within the church, outright enemies of our rights. But there’s also space for love of neighbor, as Jesus taught. Even if Pope Leo XIV were to chart a path toward full inclusion of LGBTQ people, resistance would remain. These things don’t change overnight …
“Pope Francis spoke of a church where ‘everyone, everyone, everyone’ walks together without distinction. Leo XIV was already part of that vision when he worked in some of Peru’s poorest areas. That gives us hope and reason to watch his papacy with expectation …
“Rights are granted by laws, and the separation of church and state must remain fundamental. That’s where progress happens, in secular legislation …
“Yes — it’s a breath of fresh air to have a pope who doesn’t slam the door shut, who has walked with Peru’s most excluded. That gives us encouragement to keep going.”
Alberto de Belaund(https://i0.wp.com/www.newwaysministry.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/De-Belaunde.jpg?resize=378%2C208&ssl=1)

Former Congressman Alberto de Belaund, who the Blade called one of Peru’s “few openly-gαy political figures,” also testified to Leo’s synodal focus, and his intellectual and pastoral capacities. De Belaund cited Leo’s tenure on the university assembly at the Pontifical Catholic University of Peru:
“Unlike other pontifical universities, the PUCP is progressive and diverse. Monsignor [Bishop] Prevost always demonstrated a remarkable ability to dialogue and showed respect for differing views. That speaks volumes about both his intellectual and pastoral approach.”
De Belaunde reiterated the enormous impact that rhetorical shifts from hierarchs can have in deeply Catholic countries where LGBTQ+ people are legally discriminated against:
“Sometimes, even just a change in tone makes a difference. I grew up under the influence of Pope John Paul II and Bishop Cipriani, both known for confrontational rhetoric. When the pope says things like ‘Who am I to judge?’ — it doesn’t change doctrine, but it humanizes the discourse. And that matters.”
—Jeromiah Taylor, New Ways Ministry, May 19, 2025
 



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Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Ladislaus on May 20, 2025, 07:24:31 PM
Peruvian LGBTQ+ Leaders Say He Has Good Experience.

One can't help but wonder what they mean by this.
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Incredulous on May 21, 2025, 06:51:15 AM

In two words, they’re implying pope Bob is a communist queer.
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: phillips on May 21, 2025, 10:34:44 AM
In two words, they’re implying pope Bob is a communist queer.
:laugh1:
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Everlast22 on May 21, 2025, 11:22:38 AM
I think this "pope" proves these guys are just political figureheads ONLY. I don't even think they even care about the Latin Mass/Dogma, it doesn't matter. This really nails the head in the coffin that only a miracle can bring the real Church back out of eclipse.
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Persto on May 21, 2025, 12:08:44 PM
https://x.com/Pontifex/status/1925167190791123219

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Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Persto on May 21, 2025, 12:39:34 PM
https://www.gloria.tv/en.news
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"The speech that Leo XIV addressed to representatives of other ecclesial communities and religions disappointed and saddened me", writes AldoMariavalli.it (May 19). He speaks of "the first disappointment.

"I had hoped for a change of course from the infamous Bergoglian watchwords on universal brotherhood, ecuмenism and synodality."

But: "Instead the pope confirmed everything, and he did so by quoting Bergoglio's docuмents verbatim, including the ill-fated Abu Dhabi declaration."

Valli refers to several quotes from Leo XIV's speech:

- "One of the strong points of Pope Francis' pontificate has been that of universal fraternity. On this the Holy Spirit has really 'pushed' him to make progress."

- "Aware that synodality and ecuмenism are closely linked, I wish to assure you of my intention to continue Pope Francis' efforts to promote the synodal character of the Catholic Church."

- "You have witnessed the remarkable efforts made by Pope Francis in favor of interreligious dialogue."




Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Banez123 on May 22, 2025, 04:18:59 AM
Here's one from May 14 (cited by TIA) ...
There's nothing heretical about this quote.  We all commit sin and putting people into groups of "good" and "evil" is wrong. One can say that what certain people do is evil of course, but no one that God has created in His image is truly evil. 
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Michelle on May 22, 2025, 08:45:33 AM
There's nothing heretical about this quote.  We all commit sin and putting people into groups of "good" and "evil" is wrong. One can say that what certain people do is evil of course, but no one that God has created in His image is truly evil.
Gosh, Did he ever read what Our Lord said?
"If you being evil can give good gifts, how much more your heavenly Father?"
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: WorldsAway on May 22, 2025, 09:21:43 AM
There's nothing heretical about this quote.  We all commit sin and putting people into groups of "good" and "evil" is wrong. One can say that what certain people do is evil of course, but no one that God has created in His image is truly evil.
Quote
Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can you speak good things, whereas you are evil? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

12:35 A good man out of a good treasure bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of an evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
By the way, do you still hold that hell may not be eternal? 
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Minnesota on May 22, 2025, 03:12:35 PM
Well yeah. There's a reason why he was selected. I will, until my dying breath, be convinced that he was Francis's hand-picked successor. He's Anglophone Francis. In every way.
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Ladislaus on May 22, 2025, 03:25:01 PM
Well yeah. There's a reason why he was selected. I will, until my dying breath, be convinced that he was Francis's hand-picked successor. He's Anglophone Francis. In every way.

100% agreed.  Bergoglio plucked this guy out of nowhere, and I believe that the REASON he was chosen was because he was best situated to pull off the next steps in the dialectic.

While he's a flaming Modernist, he also has very little past history, was a mystery man in a lot of ways, as per Verrechio's research.  So while Modernist, he could pull off the perception of "Well, he might be more Traddie", and then create the blend of Jorge and Ratz, the Hegelian synthesis, as it were.
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Persto on May 24, 2025, 07:42:30 PM
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-leo-xiv-confirms-priest-who-supports-womens-ordination-as-new-bishop-of-st-gallen-switzerland/
Pope Leo XIV confirms priest who supports ‘women’s ordination’ as new bishop of St. Gallen, Switzerland
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Pope Leo XIV confirmed the election of heretical Fr. Beat Grögli as bishop St. Gallen. Grögli said that ‘the women's priesthood will come,’ among other heterodox statements.

Grögli was ordained a priest in 1998 by Bishop Ivo Fürer and has been the parish priest of the landmark St. Gallen cathedral since 2013. He is a strong proponent of “female ordination,” in blatant contradiction to Catholic doctrine. He has said that the Church needs “a broad roof” and, according to a report (https://www.srf.ch/kultur/gesellschaft-religion/neuer-st-galler-bischof-der-kuenftige-bischof-beat-groegli-muss-viele-erwartungen-erfuellen) by SRF, stated in response to a diocese’s questionnaire that “The ordained ministry [Holy Orders] can no longer just be a matter for men.”

Grögli has reportedly expressed (https://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1351124bdc4.html?eng=y) support for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ “blessings” as well and claimed that the Church should “adapt” its teaching on marriage, sɛҳuąƖity morality, and contraception.
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Giovanni Berto on May 25, 2025, 12:54:56 AM
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-leo-xiv-confirms-priest-who-supports-womens-ordination-as-new-bishop-of-st-gallen-switzerland/
Pope Leo XIV confirms priest who supports ‘women’s ordination’ as new bishop of St. Gallen, Switzerland
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Pope Leo XIV confirmed the election of heretical Fr. Beat Grögli as bishop St. Gallen. Grögli said that ‘the women's priesthood will come,’ among other heterodox statements.

Grögli was ordained a priest in 1998 by Bishop Ivo Fürer and has been the parish priest of the landmark St. Gallen cathedral since 2013. He is a strong proponent of “female ordination,” in blatant contradiction to Catholic doctrine. He has said that the Church needs “a broad roof” and, according to a report (https://www.srf.ch/kultur/gesellschaft-religion/neuer-st-galler-bischof-der-kuenftige-bischof-beat-groegli-muss-viele-erwartungen-erfuellen) by SRF, stated in response to a diocese’s questionnaire that “The ordained ministry [Holy Orders] can no longer just be a matter for men.”

Grögli has reportedly expressed (https://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1351124bdc4.html?eng=y) support for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ “blessings” as well and claimed that the Church should “adapt” its teaching on marriage, sɛҳuąƖity morality, and contraception.

And this comes from the man who used to pick the bishops from Francis.

What else do we need? I understand that some are really ignorant, but some people are being just plain stupid by expecting some good from this Leo XIV fellow.
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: 2Vermont on May 25, 2025, 05:30:45 AM
And this comes from the man who used to pick the bishops from Francis.

What else do we need? I understand that some are really ignorant, but some people are being just plain stupid by expecting some good from this Leo XIV fellow.
I think the term is "willfully blind".
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Kephapaulos on May 25, 2025, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: Banez123 5/22/2025, 4:18:59 AM

There's nothing heretical about this quote. We all commit sin and putting people into groups of "good" and "evil" is wrong. One can say that what certain people do is evil of course, but no one that God has created in His image is truly evil.


Indeed you are correct. There are different senses and contexts when one refers to one as a good or evil.
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Kephapaulos on May 25, 2025, 03:34:07 PM
There's nothing heretical about this quote.  We all commit sin and putting people into groups of "good" and "evil" is wrong. One can say that what certain people do is evil of course, but no one that God has created in His image is truly evil.
Indeed you are correct. There are different senses and contexts when one refers to one as a good or evil.
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Persto on June 05, 2025, 11:30:37 AM
https://youtu.be/5nWOFnk9ls4
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Persto on June 17, 2025, 12:17:48 PM
https://bigmodernism.substack.com/p/christ-has-a-womb-the-surrealist?r=5mfttc&triedRedirect=true

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Christ Has a Womb: The Surrealist Theology of Leo’s Jubilee
A nun preached theology before the Roman Curia while Leo XIV sat silent. What she said, and what he allowed, was surreal.
Chris Jackson (https://substack.com/@chrisjackson221506)
Jun 15, 2025

"At the June 9 Jubilee of the Holy See, in the Paul VI Audience Hall, a nun sat before the Roman Curia and delivered a theological meditation while Leo XIV looked on without correction. Her name was Sister Maria Gloria Riva of the Perpetual Adorers of the Blessed Sacrament, and her speech was filled with mystical language, poetic flourishes, and disturbing theological distortions.
Most notable was this image:

Quote
Quote “The merciful womb of Mary and the Divine Infant are depicted as open frames—jubilee doors of hope. At the centre of Mary’s womb is Jesus; and at the centre of the Divine Infant’s womb is the Eucharistic Bread.”
Let that sink in: the womb of the Divine Infant.
Not Mary’s womb. Not metaphorical receptivity. But Jesus, God made man, as a child, depicted with a womb containing the Eucharist.
The Lord of Heaven and Earth, the Logos incarnate, the eternal Son who was born of woman, is now presented as having a womb of his own.
And Leo XIV sat silently while this was preached: before cardinals, bishops, clergy, religious, and Vatican staff, as part of the official Jubilee program."

"The image Sister Riva offers is a theological violation, a surrealist inversion of the Incarnation. If Our Lord contains a womb, He is no longer the New Adam. He becomes a self-generating hermaphrodite; a cosmic Christ whose humanity is symbolic rather than real. This is esoteric gnosticism.

This distortion is not accidental. It fits a broader pattern of gender confusion infecting contemporary spirituality: an attempt to feminize Christ, dissolve the distinction between Creator and creature, and reimagine the Eucharist as cosmic symbol rather than bloody sacrifice. The Real Presence is reduced to a visual metaphor, bread in a mystical womb, not the Body offered on Calvary."

"And through all this, Leo XIV sat silently.
This was the official meditation of the Jubilee of the Holy See. Cardinals were present. Vatican officials were gathered. The bishop of Rome presided. And a nun sat where no nun has ever sat before, publicly delivering theological instruction to the assembled hierarchy of the Church, including the Pope himself.
This is no longer the age of lay “lectors” or nuns giving TED Talks. This is the normalization of feminine spiritual authority, not at the margins, but at the center of ecclesial life. Riva didn’t sneak onto the stage. She was invited to teach the Pope."
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Persto on June 17, 2025, 12:24:30 PM
https://bigmodernism.substack.com/p/christ-has-a-womb-the-surrealist?r=5mfttc&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true
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Sister Tiziana Merletti: Leo’s new Secretary for the Dicastery for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life
The Feminization of the Vatican Continues

"This moment didn’t come out of nowhere. As I wrote in “Leo’s Feminized Vatican: Where Nuns Rule Priests,” Leo XIV has already appointed a woman religious as second-in-command over the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life assisting the female religious president. This means that the Vatican’s oversight of men’s religious orders is now completely entrusted to women. Two nuns now hold governing authority over monks and friars as a structural official of the Roman Curia.
Combine that with this Jubilee meditation, and the pattern is clear: the symbolic order of the Church is being inverted.
Men are being led by women. Priests are being instructed by nuns. The Divine Infant is given a womb. The Eucharist is framed as a cosmic metaphor. And the Pope is present, not as guardian of the Deposit of Faith, but as a silent witness to the theater of spiritual distortion."
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Incredulous on June 17, 2025, 01:38:05 PM
This Church “feminization” demonstrates the rabbinic control over the Seat. 

Their insane shekinah theology of “divine feminization” is from the Kabbalah.

It’s just more proof pope Bob is a perfidious jew.
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: Persto on June 18, 2025, 12:39:37 PM
https://bigmodernism.substack.com/p/christ-has-a-womb-the-surrealist?r=5mfttc&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

Sister Tiziana Merletti: Leo’s new Secretary for the Dicastery for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life
The Feminization of the Vatican Continues

"This moment didn’t come out of nowhere. As I wrote in “Leo’s Feminized Vatican: Where Nuns Rule Priests,” Leo XIV has already appointed a woman religious as second-in-command over the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life assisting the female religious president. This means that the Vatican’s oversight of men’s religious orders is now completely entrusted to women. Two nuns now hold governing authority over monks and friars as a structural official of the Roman Curia.
Combine that with this Jubilee meditation, and the pattern is clear: the symbolic order of the Church is being inverted.
Men are being led by women. Priests are being instructed by nuns. The Divine Infant is given a womb. The Eucharist is framed as a cosmic metaphor. And the Pope is present, not as guardian of the Deposit of Faith, but as a silent witness to the theater of spiritual distortion."
https://www.gloria.tv/en.news
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Sister in Civil Clothes as Apostolic Visitator of Heiligenkreuz Monks
The two Apostolic Visitators to the neoconservative Cistercian abbey in Heiligenkreuz, near Vienna, Austria, are:

- German-born Abbot Jeremias Schröder, Primate Abbot of the Benedictines in Rome since September 2024
- Christine Rod MC, Secretary-General of the Austrian Conference of Religious

SilereNonPossum.com describes both choices as “worrying” with the second name even more troubling.

Sister Rod is a religious who dresses in civilian clothing. In 2023, she expected the Synod of Bishops to make "decisions". She campaigned for women's voting rights in synods and for the 'art of the possible'. She said it was positive that 54 women with voting rights took part in the ex-synod meeting in Rome. Damian Thompson calls Sister Rod "a diehard liberal put there [in Heiligenkreuz] to cause trouble".
Title: Re: Leo (heresies starting to flow)
Post by: coeurvoil on June 18, 2025, 01:07:52 PM
Quote from: Persto (https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?topic=76988.msg989648#msg989648) 2025-06-18, 10:39:37 AM
https://www.gloria.tv/en.news
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Sister in Civil Clothes as Apostolic Visitator of Heiligenkreuz Monks
The two Apostolic Visitators to the neoconservative Cistercian abbey in Heiligenkreuz, near Vienna, Austria, are:

- German-born Abbot Jeremias Schröder, Primate Abbot of the Benedictines in Rome since September 2024
- Christine Rod MC, Secretary-General of the Austrian Conference of Religious

SilereNonPossum.com describes both choices as “worrying” with the second name even more troubling.

Sister Rod is a religious who dresses in civilian clothing. In 2023, she expected the Synod of Bishops to make "decisions". She campaigned for women's voting rights in synods and for the 'art of the possible'. She said it was positive that 54 women with voting rights took part in the ex-synod meeting in Rome. Damian Thompson calls Sister Rod "a diehard liberal put there [in Heiligenkreuz] to cause trouble".
We of course pray for the conversion of the Pope—that he may at last consecrate Russia exactly as Our Lady of Fatima requested. But let’s be honest: the SSPX today is pushing a Pope Leo XIV agenda. Just look at their online spokesmen like Kennedy Hall or their official statements—there is silence on the Pope’s errors, no condemnation, and no clarity.

If God permits, a visible agreement may soon follow the 2012 doctrinal betrayal—perhaps even with a Novus Ordo bishop like Schneider being imposed on the SSPX.

So the question must be asked: Will those who claim to be part of the Resistance—but still attend SSPX chapels and do nothing to oppose this compromise—continue what Archbishop Lefebvre condemned as the fatal illusion of “resisting from within”?