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Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #250 on: October 10, 2019, 05:44:36 PM »
Just my two-cents worth:

I agree that the thread should come to and end - but the discussion will just keep going on other threads - since the sedes and sedeprivationists dominate the forum.

You said that you don't want anyone to endorse your newly arrived at position of SVism, so I suggest that you not start another thread in which you contend that +ABL would be an SV if he were still alive.

If forum members want to hold the SV position, I don't really care. It's that they often insist that everyone who has any Catholic sense or intelligence HAS to hold the SV or sedeprivationist position. I don't happen to believe that R&R is absolutely or necessarily the correct view. Most who hold the R&R position aren't dogmatic about it, though Ladislaus will falsely accuse us of it, because he's vindictive.

We can't see the whole picture. That's what SV's and their fellow travelers don't get.

Yes, Sean was a bit unhinged on this thread. Even I have to admit that. And....I don't think it was appropriate to say that Ladislaus should be banned, when he was really only joking about that, and not serious. This subject seems to bring out the worst in traditional Catholics. But they, it does bring a lot of traffic to the forum, so who am I to complain?  
Ladislaus says Sean, particularly, is dogmatic about it.  Which is definitely true.  He borderline implied that I'm a heretic for taking the "We have to assume he's Pope but the Church might eventually tell us he wasn't" position.  

He's not necessarily saying everyone who's R + R is dogmatic about it.

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #251 on: October 10, 2019, 05:51:14 PM »
Ladislaus says Sean, particularly, is dogmatic about it.  Which is definitely true.  He borderline implied that I'm a heretic for taking the "We have to assume he's Pope but the Church might eventually tell us he wasn't" position.  

He's not necessarily saying everyone who's R + R is dogmatic about it.

Get over it, wussy.

Ladislaus is a dogmatic doubtist: Anyone he cant cause to doubt dogmatic facts is a heretic. :o

Total idiot.

Ps:I am absolutely a Catholic (ie., dogmatic sedeplenist, as all are obliged to be).


Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #252 on: October 10, 2019, 05:56:05 PM »
Get over it, wussy.

Ladislaus is a dogmatic doubtist: Anyone he cant cause to doubt dogmatic facts is a heretic. :o

Total idiot.

Ps:I am absolutely a Catholic (ie., dogmatic sedeplenist, as all are obliged to be).
1: I don't actually care.  I just was pointing out that you are dogmatic on the issue.  

2: I acknowledge that it might be a dogmatic fact.  If it is, I submit to it.  Even if its not, I still think it much, much, much more prudent to assume that the man who appears to be the Pope, is.  If he isn't, the Church can tell us later.  Im not obliged to figure that out on my own.


Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #253 on: October 10, 2019, 05:58:00 PM »
1: I don't actually care.  I just was pointing out that you are dogmatic on the issue.  

2: I acknowledge that it might be a dogmatic fact.  If it is, I submit to it.  Even if its not, I still think it much, much, much more prudent to assume that the man who appears to be the Pope, is.  If he isn't, the Church can tell us later.  Im not obliged to figure that out on my own.
All Catholics are required to be completely dogmatic on the issue

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #254 on: October 10, 2019, 06:04:10 PM »
Just keep in mind that SJ, XavierSem, Praeter, Disco and Salsa and all the other nutty r&r people have no authority.  You aren’t in schism or heresy with any Novus Ordo Bishops so no worries.  If Frank is the pope we’re all saved.  If he’s not the pope it is the r&r people who tried to excommunicate everyone who have big troubles.