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Offline CatholicInAmerica

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #240 on: October 10, 2019, 01:54:32 PM »
Quote from: Meg on October 10, 2019, 01:52:28 PM
Fr. Hesse did indeed believe that the new rite of ordination is valid. He was hardly alone among traditionalists in believing that. There is no consensus among traditionalists that the new rite of ordination is invalid. If you want to believe it's invalid, that's you choice.

I'll ask again. If you are not comfortable in answering, that's fine. Do you deny that VII deviated from all other Councils in that it did not address and condemn error?
Lefebvre and almost all  other OG trads atleast doubted, if not knew it was invalid. I said it very clear in my las reply. Vatican II is not a valid council as John xxiii was not a true pope. If you think that John xxiii was a true pope, then you must accept v2 or you are in schism. 
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Offline Meg

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #241 on: October 10, 2019, 01:57:10 PM »
Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on October 10, 2019, 01:54:32 PM
Lefebvre and almost all  other OG trads atleast doubted, if not knew it was invalid. I said it very clear in my las reply. Vatican II is not a valid council as John xxiii was not a true pope. If you think that John xxiii was a true pope, then you must accept v2 or you are in schism.

Then why didn't +ABL and the SSPX always re-ordain priests who came to them from the Novus Ordo?

I do understand the insane sede view that we must accept Vll or we are in schism, if we believe that J23 was a true Pope. You are obviously a ridiculous dogmatic sede. That's not unusual around here.

The forum has been taken over by sedes and sedeprivationists. But that's okay. It is what it is, and it was bound to happen. Sedes always strive to take over - they are like Jews in that sense.
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Offline Mark 79

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Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #242 on: October 10, 2019, 02:13:48 PM »
And yet… there is that insane idea that harpies may pontificate.

Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith.  But if they would learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church. 1 Cor 14:34
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #243 on: October 10, 2019, 02:22:08 PM »
Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on October 10, 2019, 01:54:32 PM
Lefebvre and almost all  other OG trads atleast doubted, if not knew it was invalid. I said it very clear in my las reply. Vatican II is not a valid council as John xxiii was not a true pope. If you think that John xxiii was a true pope, then you must accept v2 or you are in schism.
Meg, if only you would profess that JXXIII was not a valid pope, you would not be in schism. :facepalm:
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Offline Meg

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #244 on: October 10, 2019, 02:35:25 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on October 10, 2019, 02:22:08 PM
Meg, if only you would profess that JXXIII was not a valid pope, you would not be in schism. :facepalm:

Yeah....so I've been told.  ;D
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