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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #225 on: October 10, 2019, 11:43:37 AM »
Supplied, not ordinary (ie., case by case, not habitual).

But no one has demonstrated that habitual ordinary jursidiction is required to avoid ecclesiavacantism; that is Pax's point and his distinction.  But it's above your mental capabilities.

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #226 on: October 10, 2019, 11:48:11 AM »
You are a dishonested, retarded baboon.  First of all, these are not facts, but teachings and disciplines.  If you actually understood the notion of universal acceptance, you'd understand that theologians derived it from the infallibility of the Ecclesia Credens, based on the logical Major that the Church cannot universally embrace an erroneous rule of faith.  And yet, according to you, the Church CAN universally embrace grave doctrinal error and a harmful Mass.  Johnson, you are nothing short of a heretic who denies the indefectibility of the Church.  You are a manifest heretic, and are not a Catholic.

Sweetie:

I just love it when you make stuff up, and attribute it to others.

You would do better to shut up, and learn something.

1) Ladislaus says the opposite of every pre-conciliar theologian: A universally accepted pope is not a dogmatic fact.

2) please quote where I say the Church can embrace grave doctrinal error (and please be careful to define “embrace”).

3) please quote where I say the church can “embrace” a harmful rite of Mass, and be sure to explain the relevance of that allegation to the present issue.

Ps: Sweetiepie, please explain why your denial of the universal consent of approved preconciliar theologians anyone should listen to your continual hot air?


Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #227 on: October 10, 2019, 11:50:10 AM »
Another lie.  +Lefebvre was clearly saying that HE might have to conclude that Wojtyla is not the pope ... even before any such declaration by the Church.  +Williamson's quote was referring to all the V2 papal claimants, including all the past ones.
Oh yes:
Please quote either one saying that which you attribute to them (ie., that they might have to conclude the popes are nopes, here and now, and on their own authority).

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #228 on: October 10, 2019, 11:52:52 AM »
But no one has demonstrated that habitual ordinary jursidiction is required to avoid ecclesiavacantism; that is Pax's point and his distinction.  But it's above your mental capabilities.
Honey-
There, there.
Please articulate how a church devoid of anyone with jurisdiction supplied by the pope (and lacking any pope, or hope of ever recovering a pope), and therefore a heirarchy, is not a church which has defected.

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #229 on: October 10, 2019, 12:22:05 PM »
Honey-
There, there.
Please articulate how a church devoid of anyone with jurisdiction supplied by the pope (and lacking any pope, or hope of ever recovering a pope), and therefore a heirarchy, is not a church which has defected.
A doubtful pope is not one at all.....