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Author Topic: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism  (Read 36921 times)

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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #205 on: October 10, 2019, 09:07:41 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on October 10, 2019, 08:58:45 AM
So, again you are saying that +Lefebvre and +Williamson are heretics.
Nope: You are saying they are heretics for alleging they question a dogmatic fact.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #206 on: October 10, 2019, 09:13:34 AM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 10, 2019, 08:20:36 AM
Are you questioning the binding nature of dogmatic facts?
No.
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #207 on: October 10, 2019, 10:01:08 AM »
Right or wrong, Williamson is literally on video saying maybe t  he Church will eventually declare these men antipopes.  He seems to accept them but not with absolute certainty 
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #208 on: October 10, 2019, 10:06:29 AM »
Quote from: ByzCat3000 on October 10, 2019, 10:01:08 AM
Right or wrong, Williamson is literally on video saying maybe t  he Church will eventually declare these men antipopes.  He seems to accept them but not with absolute certainty
Which can mean that, at a certain point in the future, something could happen to break the universal consent of bishops, at which point the papacy will cease to be a dogmatic fact.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #209 on: October 10, 2019, 10:19:08 AM »
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Which can mean that, at a certain point in the future, something could happen to break the universal consent of bishops, at which point the papacy will cease to be a dogmatic fact.
There is already a break with the universal consent of bishops.  If you consider novus ordo bishops have a vote in this consent, then many of them have openly questioned +Francis.  If you do not consider novus ordo bishops to have a say in the "universal consent" (and I do not, being they are just as materially heretical as the post-V2 popes), then the lack of universal consent (which is near unanimous) among Trad bishops, is proof enough that every post-V2 pope was doubtful.
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