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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2019, 05:28:31 PM »
Quote from: ByzCat3000 on October 06, 2019, 05:25:29 PM
How do you explain the quotes?

He was indignant and scandalized by Assisi, and became convinced of the need for bishops, yes.

He called the pope an antichrist, yes. But not an antipope.

“We May be obliged to believe some day...” does not mean he believed it in the present (and his recent past would suggest the opposite).
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2019, 05:49:49 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 06, 2019, 05:28:31 PM
“We May be obliged to believe some day...” does not mean he believed it in the present (and his recent past would suggest the opposite).

+Lefebvre was clearly open to sedevacantism, did not condemn it, and felt that it indeed might be the case that the V2 papal claimants are/were not legitimate popes.

He did NOT hold their legitimacy to be dogmatically certain.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2019, 05:51:28 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 06, 2019, 05:28:31 PM
He called the pope an antichrist, yes. But not an antipope.

So it's possible for an antichrist to legitimately be the Vicar of Christ?
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2019, 05:55:10 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on October 06, 2019, 05:51:28 PM
So it's possible for an antichrist to legitimately be the Vicar of Christ?
Antichrist is whatever opposes Christ (sin, scandal, etc).  
Yours would only be the most extreme possible interpretation of that term (and one which would oppose his very recent and high profile position).
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2019, 05:56:21 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on October 06, 2019, 05:49:49 PM
+Lefebvre was clearly open to sedevacantism, did not condemn it, and felt that it indeed might be the case that the V2 papal claimants are/were not legitimate popes.

No.

He was closed to it, but open to the possibility that the Church might some day declare it.

Until then, it was not possible.
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