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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Re: Leaving the SSPX Because Of Abuse Scandals
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2022, 12:22:42 PM »
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  • What are you babbling on about here again, this obsession with sodomites?  There's no indication that this latest predator was a sodomite.
    What are you babbling about?  A pervert is a pervert. I stand my ground as a CHRISTIAN.  It should never have happened once.   Their true colors are showing when they promoted the jab.  Game over….  

    Jesus got mad and overturned tables of people stuff outside the temple. 

    How many incidents of incest?  How many case of priests raping little boys and girls?  A pervert is a pervert.  Period.  It’s one too many.  
    They are now passing laws to make it a hate crime to call out sodomy as mortal sin thanks to Lukewarm Catholics.   Maybe you should be more obsessed about ridding mortal sin instead of making excuses.

    Referring to some one as a sodomite also means the Sodom and Gomorrah lifestyle which means all perversion.  

    It seems that many are falling a different gospel of false charity & mercy. 
    The feel good for unrepenting sinners.  


    No.  Jesus said go and sin no more.  We are supposed to worship along side apostates. 




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    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Leaving the SSPX Because Of Abuse Scandals
    « Reply #16 on: November 18, 2022, 12:23:02 PM »
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  • This is the only way the Neo SSPX will learn. Money is what motivates them. If enough people stop donating, real change may take place.

    A former lay member of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) is pulling his $10,000 donation after expressing disgust with leadership's mishandling of sex abuse.
    "I regret to inform you that considering the scandals that continue to surround the Society of St. Pius X … I can no longer support the Immaculata project in good conscience," he wrote, referring to the chapel building project in St. Mary's, KS.
    "The latest allegation, which involves incest, is especially heinous," he continues.
    "As a victim of sɛҳuąƖ assault at the hands of a priest myself, I strongly urge the SSPX leadership to consider using its monies to compensate victims," he pleads.


    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/donor-yanks-10k-from-sspx-over-abuse-scandals
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    Re: Leaving the SSPX Because Of Abuse Scandals
    « Reply #17 on: November 18, 2022, 12:33:21 PM »
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  • Instead of getting mad at Church militant, get mad at the perverted priest  Stafki who sɛҳuąƖly assaulted his own niece.  Sue his superiors. They still protect pervert priests.  Lies, blackmail and cover ups.  Free masons protect each other no matter what. 

    Yes.  Typical lukewarm response of the laity to blame the victim and defending the priest and his prestigious family. 
    Who wants to sit in the pews next to apostates.  They are just as bad as Biden, Peℓσѕι, Bergolio and the rest of Catholic in mortal sin.

    Real Catholics would be angry and disgusted by the many cases of sɛҳuąƖ abuse.  A real Catholic seeks justice supports the innocent who are the most vulnerable. 

    Stop making excuses.  Don’t put the blame on Church Militant.  Put the blame on pervert priests.  Put it on occult like weak minded laity for allowing mortal sin to flourish.

    The global elite want to have sex with their adult partners and their own children.  It’s happening illegally.  The goal is one happy one world church orgy of love and kindness of satan




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    Re: Leaving the SSPX Because Of Abuse Scandals
    « Reply #18 on: November 18, 2022, 01:04:57 PM »
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  • The Novus Ordo refugee who wrote this letter makes some excellent points regarding the Neo-SSPX.  This one, in particular, is spot on.

    The transition to the SSPX wasn't insurmountable, though it wasn't easy, either. From the beginning I could see that newcomers weren't welcomed. There were some friendly faces, though by and large, the communities were mostly compromised of tight-knit cliques that would chastise you for sitting in "their pew," and constantly wonder why you were coming to Mass at "their chapel." If you managed to stick around long enough, eventually they would talk to you — but only to ensure you were adequately informed of how to do things "their way."

    This reminded me of two women at the SSPX chapel I used to go to that day after day, year after year, would sit in the front pews and would not allow anyone else to sit there. They, of course, were big donors.


    And then there is this one.

    With the pandemic and the Latin Mass restrictions came more SSPX building projects and evangelization efforts. Like the Immaculata, I wanted to help in any way I was able. I gave both in-kind and financial donations wherever I could. If I learned that an individual priest had needs such as a new phone or something, I was happy to assist. 


    This is classic Neo-SSPX.  As I have said, the plandemic and Bergolio are the two best things to happen to the SSPX.  Since COVID, these chapels were overrun by Novus Ordo refuges, and the SSPX were glad to take them in even if it meant ditching their long-time parishoners and, in some cases, closing and selling off some chapels.






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    Re: Leaving the SSPX Because Of Abuse Scandals
    « Reply #19 on: November 18, 2022, 01:08:39 PM »
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  • That above Press Release is what would be released by their Jєω lawyers, and not by Catholics.

    If I were releasing this, I would open with apologies, regret, asking for prayers for the victim, and also prayers for the perpetrtor and his family (but only secondarily).

    Then in one setence at the end, I would say (if that were true) that we reported it to the authorities immediately.

    But then I would't have ccovered this up for so many weeks in the first place, but if I had delayed in releasing the information, I would either apologize or offer a public explanation for why the delay.

    If they can't explain their delay in releasing this information, then the charge of shameless coverup stands.

    True, the statement put out by the SSPX is genuinely pathetic.  You know it was written by some high-paid attorney. 


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    Re: Leaving the SSPX Because Of Abuse Scandals
    « Reply #20 on: November 18, 2022, 01:10:44 PM »
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  • Instead of getting mad at Church militant, get mad at the perverted priest 

    That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.  That priest is arrested already and will face whatever justice is due him before God.  What the point of being "mad" at him and posting sternly-worded rebukes on CathInfo?

    Meanwhile the SSPX continue with coverups, and CM continues their slander campaign, where here they tip their hand about the true motivation, i.e. that it's not about the poor little girl who was his victim, but about maximizing damage against SSPX and Traditional Catholicism, showing no concern for some innocent people they might slander along the way (again, to maximize damage instead of just painting an objectively true picture).

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    Re: Leaving the SSPX Because Of Abuse Scandals
    « Reply #21 on: November 18, 2022, 01:22:15 PM »
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  • Church Militant does hate the SSPX; their articles are a mix of truths and sensationalized sleaze. You need to be able to decipher between both.

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    Re: Leaving the SSPX Because Of Abuse Scandals
    « Reply #22 on: November 18, 2022, 01:32:03 PM »
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  • So I have received information from someone who attended a talk given by the Priest-in-Charge (what SSPX call "Pastor") at the Chapel/School involved.  I'll post the details as I hear them without making any commentary until a subsequent post.  So the priest started by instructing people not record the meeting without prior permission.

    Reportedly he appealed to moral theology regarding "detraction" to explain why the SSPX did not divulge the information sooner, explaining that they divulged it on a need-to-know basis only, based on a determination of whom they judged migth potentially have been at risk.

    Since no one has commented on this, obviously there can be no detraction when 1) a crime is public or notorious or 2) the public welfare requires spreading the information.  In the case, BOTH are true.

    One might question who they're REALLY worried about "detracting," Father Stafki or themselves and the SSPX?

    But one could argue that in the "spirit" of not detracting, unless there's a "need to know," one still SHOULD not spread information even if it's public with someone who hasn't heard about it unless they might be affected, i.e. unless they have a need to know.

    So it would appear that THEY would be the ones to determine this "need to know" based on their own "contact tracing" exercise ... as if they knew or could possibly know the whereabouts of this priest at all times.  Unless you can establish with complete certain exactly where this priest has been the entire time, the public good required an APB (All Points Bulletin) "Be on the lookout for ..."  They have NO IDEA how far back this propensity to sɛҳuąƖly assault children goes.  In the 8 years he's been a priest, he could have had contact all over the place with numerous faithful, from his original time in Kenya.  And he was allegedly on sabbatical, where they obviously would have had even LESS idea where he was.  So there needs to be a widespread public alert.  While I think he's safely behind bars (or did he make the $75K bail?) at thsi time, with an APB, if the individuals who know they had contact with Fr. Stafki were alerted, perhaps they could think back about other possibly suspicious behavior along those lines, where perhaps for instance, with the benefit of this new additional hindsight, something that may have at the time been written off as innocuous, might now be recognized for what it could very well have been, say, grooming, or additional abuse.  So one parent might say, "Wow, I let my son go hang out with this priest, because the priest told me he might have a vocation and would make a good priest.  Thought nothing of it at the time, but now I'm beginning to have questions."  It might cause additional victims to be identified either by their parents or inspired them to come forward themselves ... so that they could receive the help they might need to help them recover from the trauma.

    Finally, the honor of the SSPX and Traditional Catholicism are at stake.  By preserving the "reputation of this priest" (as you allege), you're making not only the SSPX but all of Traditional Catholicism LOOK BAD.  This terrible publicity along of giving even the APPEARANCE of covering it up, with some people refusing to become Traditional Catholics after having been subjected to the various CM stories (quite possibly their ultimate goal) ... all those are sufficient interest of the public good that not only permit but even REQUIRE divulging whatever information they have that would that might be of us (no, the pornographic details are absolutely uncalled for except insofar as some of the "tactics" he used to groom teh child could be exposed).


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    Re: Leaving the SSPX Because Of Abuse Scandals
    « Reply #23 on: November 18, 2022, 02:19:01 PM »
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  • Who is the anonymous coward? Is it a fabrication? Not to say much is true in his rambling composition. Could it be Michael Voris?

    JR1991, don’t give up SSPX Masses until and unless you have a better option. Withholding donations  is fine. Pray for the priests. Most are not involved in scandalous behaviour and many are doing their best under difficult circuмstances.
    I agree with this. 

    There are many good holy priests of SSPX. 

    Pray for the Catholic Church. 









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    Re: Leaving the SSPX Because Of Abuse Scandals
    « Reply #24 on: January 11, 2023, 09:04:44 AM »
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  • I agree with this. 

    There are many good holy priests of SSPX. 

    Pray for the Catholic Church.
    Yes, there are. And many of them are not happy with what's going on in this current climate in regards to SSPX hierarchy. Trust me. Their job, first and foremost is to administer the sacraments to the flock. period. The problem is that there are no real consequences for sinful actions. Whether in society, or in the ranks of the Church hierarchy. I know SSPX priests that basically just want to vent in their homily. Like, convicting homilies that would make 95 percent of the people in the pews lower their head in self disgust. But we have to make sure the money is flowing in.. can't be doing that.

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    Re: Leaving the SSPX Because Of Abuse Scandals
    « Reply #25 on: January 11, 2023, 09:19:04 AM »
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  • Who is the anonymous coward? Is it a fabrication? Not to say much is true in his rambling composition. Could it be Michael Voris?

    JR1991, don’t give up SSPX Masses until and unless you have a better option. Withholding donations  is fine. Pray for the priests. Most are not involved in scandalous behaviour and many are doing their best under difficult circuмstances.

    I agree. Most, or at the very least many of the SSPX priests are trying to do the right thing. I don't condone cover-ops of abuse, or the ridiculous materialistic focus of the leadership, or the denial of the seriousness of the Modernist Crisis by the leadership of the SSPX of course, but we can still legitimately partake of the sacraments there.

    It can be difficult to maintain a sensible balance regarding the SSPX, but they are still a far better alternative than the modernist diocesan masses, IMO. If someone has a good option other than the SSPX, that's fine of course, as you mention above. The SSPX chapel where I attend still has an excellent priest who cares about the Faith.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Leaving the SSPX Because Of Abuse Scandals
    « Reply #26 on: January 11, 2023, 10:33:13 AM »
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  • I wouldn’t leave the SSPX unless you had an acceptable alternative, since you’d really just be punishing yourself with sacramental deprivation (which is about the worst reaction you could have, short of leaving the Faith).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Leaving the SSPX Because Of Abuse Scandals
    « Reply #27 on: January 11, 2023, 12:09:30 PM »
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  • I wouldn’t leave the SSPX unless you had an acceptable alternative, since you’d really just be punishing yourself with sacramental deprivation (which is about the worst reaction you could have, short of leaving the Faith).

    Agreed.  Lots of people left the Church (though in many cases was just an excuse or pretext) because of the NO pedophilia scandal.  We shouldn't punish ourselves (and worse, our families) for the sins of the SSPX.

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    Re: Leaving the SSPX Because Of Abuse Scandals
    « Reply #28 on: January 11, 2023, 12:11:44 PM »
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  • Yes, there are. And many of them are not happy with what's going on in this current climate in regards to SSPX hierarchy. Trust me. Their job, first and foremost is to administer the sacraments to the flock. period. The problem is that there are no real consequences for sinful actions. Whether in society, or in the ranks of the Church hierarchy. I know SSPX priests that basically just want to vent in their homily. Like, convicting homilies that would make 95 percent of the people in the pews lower their head in self disgust. But we have to make sure the money is flowing in.. can't be doing that.

    Why was this 2 month old thread necro-bumped? Just curious.
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