Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: Hidden Gem: Abomination of Desolation by MHFM  (Read 760 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ServusInutilisDomini

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 529
  • Reputation: +249/-87
  • Gender: Male
  • O sacrum convivum... https://youtu.be/-WCicnX6pN8
Hidden Gem: Abomination of Desolation by MHFM
« on: November 14, 2022, 08:56:58 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!2
  • https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/abomination-of-desolation-machabees/

    This was a very interesting article on the parallels between our days and the first abomination of desolation.

    Worth your time.


    From the article:

    The Periods of the Abomination of Desolation
    1st Abomination                                                    2nd Abomination
    Jason – False High Priest #1                          John XXIII – False Pope #1
    Introduces the wearing of a “broad-brimmed petasos”Frequently seen wearing a broad-brimmed hat
    The Apostasy and the Syncretism explode during his reignThe Apostasy and the Syncretism explode during his reign starting with Vatican II
    Nicknamed “King Johnny”Named John
    Acquires the High Priesthood by FraudDubious Election (see Siri article), Anti-Catholic ideas and Membership in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ made his Election a Fraud
    Menelaus – False High Priest #2                      Paul VI – False Pope #2
    Acquires the High Priesthood by FraudAcquires the High Priesthood by Fraud (discussed in Siri article)
    Second False High Priest of FourSecond “Pope” of Four who are Apostates
    Imposes the Abomination of Desolation, a false sacrifice, an integral part of which is a second altar “upon and over against” (1 Mac. 1:57,62) the altar of GodImposes the Abomination of Desolation, which is the New Mass, an integral part of which is a table or second altar “upon and over against” the Roman Rite altar, the altar of God
    Lysimachus – False High Priest #3                    John Paul I – False Pope #3
    Reigns Very Briefly and is murdered over the treasury (2 Mac. 4:42)Reigns for 33 days and, according to many, is murdered over the Vatican Bank
    Is the Third False High Priest of FourIs the Third “Pope” of the Apostasy

    Alcimus – False High Priest #4                      John Paul II – False Pope #4
    The last of the False High PriestsThe Fourth of the Apostate “Popes”
    Convinces almost everyone that he is “Pious”Convinces almost everyone that he is “Mary’s Pope”
    The most dangerous of the lotThe most deceptive and charismatic of the lot
    Mingles with the heathens (2 Mac. 14:3)Mingles with every false religion on earth
    Struck with a palsy so that his mouth was stopped and he could not speak or give order concerning his house (1 Mac. 9:55)And then dies at that time in great torment. (1 Mac. 9:56.)Has been struck with a shaking palsy and is basically unable to speak or give order concerning the VaticanDied in great torment shortly after being struck so that could not speak a word
    "At that time Alcimus was struck: and his works were hindered, and his mouth was stopped, and he was taken with a palsy, so that he could no more speak a word, nor give order concerning his house.  And Alcimus died at that time in great torment." (1 Machabees 9:55)
    The Abomination Occupies the Western Wing
    The Apostate Jєωs and the Abomination of Desolation occupied the “Large Western Wing” of the CityThe Abomination of Desolation occupies the Large Western Wing of the Church, the Roman Rite; as opposed to the Eastern Rites, which don’t have the Novus Ordo



    Online Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41893
    • Reputation: +23940/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Hidden Gem: Abomination of Desolation by MHFM
    « Reply #1 on: November 14, 2022, 09:57:21 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • Yes, it's reather shocking, and impossible to write off the parallels as coincidence.  We've mentioned it here before a few times.  This is an oldie but a goodie.


    Offline Cornelius

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 460
    • Reputation: +261/-265
    • Gender: Male
    • Some Catholic Guy.
    Re: Hidden Gem: Abomination of Desolation by MHFM
    « Reply #2 on: November 20, 2022, 03:07:42 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Link isn't working for me.
    One day at a time.

    Offline Gunter

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 239
    • Reputation: +76/-38
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Hidden Gem: Abomination of Desolation by MHFM
    « Reply #3 on: November 20, 2022, 03:11:55 PM »
  • Thanks!4
  • No Thanks!1
  • Folks still follow the Diamond brothers?  Dead enders

    Offline Yeti

    • Supporter
    • ****
    • Posts: 3479
    • Reputation: +2006/-447
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Hidden Gem: Abomination of Desolation by MHFM
    « Reply #4 on: November 20, 2022, 04:08:59 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • Where does Bergoglio fit into this?


    Online Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41893
    • Reputation: +23940/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Hidden Gem: Abomination of Desolation by MHFM
    « Reply #5 on: November 20, 2022, 04:14:53 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Where does Bergoglio fit into this?

    Good question.  This was written well before Bergoglio, and it would be interesting to see what happened in Maccabee history after what's detailed there.

    But the parallels here are absolutely fascinating.

    Offline DigitalLogos

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 8316
    • Reputation: +4706/-754
    • Gender: Male
    • Slave to the Sacred Heart
      • Twitter
    Re: Hidden Gem: Abomination of Desolation by MHFM
    « Reply #6 on: November 20, 2022, 04:18:48 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • It's a far more interesting and plausible explanation for things than the eschatology they promote today. And it was also not even written by them.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

    Online Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41893
    • Reputation: +23940/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Hidden Gem: Abomination of Desolation by MHFM
    « Reply #7 on: November 20, 2022, 04:57:26 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • Now, I took a minute to dig in.  Alcimus was associated with JP2 (with striking similarities).  Here's what I found on Wikipedia after Alcimus.
    Quote
    The holder of the High Priest position from 159–152 [BC] is not known. It is possible the position was vacant, or held by some interim priest whose name is lost to history. Eventually, Jonathan Apphus took the position in 152 [BC] after securing an alliance with Seleucid royal claimant Alexander Balas. One theory of Alcimus's successor is that it was the Righteous Teacher, a mysterious figure described in the Qumran Habakkuk Commentary, one of the Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in 1947. In this theory, the Righteous Teacher, a Zadokite, serves as High Priest for a time before being betrayed by a Wicked Priest (Jonathan) and a "Man of the Lie" and dismissed from his post. The Teacher retreats to Qumran, where he becomes the founder of the Essenes, a sect of Judaism. The truth of the Righteous Teacher's identity is unclear as firm dates are not provided, but this scenario is consistent with the known antagonism of the Qumran community to the Hasmonean dynasty.

    So, this is fascinating.  After Alcimus (JP2), while it's not known for certainty who was in the office, the suggestion is that someone who was referred to by his followers as "The Righteous Teacher" held the office, but was then kicked out and sent into exile, through the machinations of the "Wicked Priest" and "Man of the Lie".  This man is thought to have gone into exile and founded the Essenes.

    So we had Ratzinger for about 7 years (this "Righteous Teacher" guy would also have been there for 7 years, from 159-152), alleged to have been kicked out off office into exile, where he has gained a following from the sect / group of "Bennyvacantists".

    Then he was followed by this Wicked "Man of the Lie" Jonathan.

    More research would be needed, as this period in history seems very confusing to me, but there are some interesting parallels here too with Ratzinger and then Bergoglio.


    Online Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41893
    • Reputation: +23940/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Hidden Gem: Abomination of Desolation by MHFM
    « Reply #8 on: November 20, 2022, 05:05:13 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • I found this also about Alcimus (JP2 character).  Evidently Alcimus pulled down the wall in the temple.
    Quote
    Temple architecture was deeply important in the era for its symbolism. The sources do not directly describe Alcimus's motive for pulling down the wall in the Temple, although the book of 1 Maccabees goes so far as to suggest that God struck down and killed Alcimus for the impious act. Taken literally, the passage suggests a return to the uncleansed Temple under Menelaus [Paul VI character], where Greeks and Jєωs alike worshipped together. However, a full-scale revival of the syncretic cult Menelaus established does not appear to have taken place; whether that was due to Alcimus's death, or that the wall incident had nothing to do with such a plan, is not clear. Another possibility is that it may have been related to theological dispute of the era, and the barrier was intended to be between priests and common worshippers.

    So apparently this Alcimus (JP2) pulled down a wall that allowed Jєωs (true believers) to worship together with the Gentiles (the pagans), or, alternatively, where he tored down the barrier between priests and "laity".  JP2 did both.

    Offline Yeti

    • Supporter
    • ****
    • Posts: 3479
    • Reputation: +2006/-447
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Hidden Gem: Abomination of Desolation by MHFM
    « Reply #9 on: November 20, 2022, 05:22:22 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • I found this also about Alcimus (JP2 character).  Evidently Alcimus pulled down the wall in the temple.
    So apparently this Alcimus (JP2) pulled down a wall that allowed Jєωs (true believers) to worship together with the Gentiles (the pagans), or, alternatively, where he tored down the barrier between priests and "laity".  JP2 did both.
    .

    Like the communion rail? That sounds more appropriate for Montini, though. Also, it was Paul VI who gave us ecuмenism.

    Interesting stuff, though, but I'm not all that convinced by most of it. For example, Benny isn't in any sense the leader of the Bennyvacantists. Benny's relationship with the Bennyvacantists is more akin to the relationship between some pop star and his psychotic stalker fans who break into his house in the middle of the night to steal souvenirs or something. :laugh1:

    Online Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41893
    • Reputation: +23940/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Hidden Gem: Abomination of Desolation by MHFM
    « Reply #10 on: November 20, 2022, 05:23:40 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • So this Jonathan Apphus (with Apphus being a nickname, meaning "dissembler"), was a son of Mattathias, the leader of the Maccabaean revolt.  Evidently he got the nickname because he was a compromiser.

    So this guy cut a deal with the son of Antiochus IV Epiphanes (the chief villain of the Maccabees period), Alexander Balas, so that the latter appointed him "High Priest".

    Since he had been appointed "High Priest" by this Balas character, we find this in a Jєωιѕн Encyclopedia:
    Quote
    Despite spectacular external political gains, Jonathan's policies created religious discord among conservative Jєωs, many of whom viewed his claim to the high-priesthood illegitimate.



    Online Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41893
    • Reputation: +23940/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Hidden Gem: Abomination of Desolation by MHFM
    « Reply #11 on: November 20, 2022, 05:30:48 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • Like the communion rail? That sounds more appropriate for Montini, though. Also, it was Paul VI who gave us ecuмenism.

    Interesting stuff, though, but I'm not all that convinced by most of it. For example, Benny isn't in any sense the leader of the Bennyvacantists. Benny's relationship with the Bennyvacantists is more akin to the relationship between some pop star and his psychotic stalker fans who break into his house in the middle of the night to steal souvenirs or something. :laugh1:

    Well, this relationship between this exiled "Righteous Teacher" and the Essenes is not known, shrouded in mystery. We do know that the Bennyvacantists view Ratzinger as their leader, as still being the pope.  And they view him as a "Righteous Teacher".

    I mean the similarity in details is astonishing, hard to write off as coincidence.  Alcimus (the JP2 figure) had hoodwinked people so badly that he actually became known as "the Pious", despite tearing down this wall between the Jєωs (at the time the true believers) and the pagans (Gentiles), and/or between the priests and the "faithful".  Alcimus was punished by God, being struck with a palsy where at the end he couldn't speak and died in agony (all of that fits JP2 perfectly).

    Just before Alcimus was a guy named Lysimachus who reigned very briefly beause he was murdered over the Treasury (reports are that JP1, who reigned briefly, was killed due to some dealings related to the Vatican bank).

    Prior to him was Menelaeus, who introduced the Abomination of Desolation into the temple (Paul VI's New Mass).

    And that was after the first of the illegitimate High Priests, Jason, nicknamed "Johnny", who wore a wide-brimmed hat (that Roncalli was famous for).

    It's hard to write off the similarities here.

    So that was working backwards.

    After Alcimus (JP2), a 7-year reign by someone who was kicked out of office and sent into exile, known by his followers as "The Righteous Teacher".  Ratzinger was in office about 7 years and his followers say he was forced out of office and was this great righteous pope.

    He was supplanted by a traitor, a "dissembler", a wicked priest referred to as "The Man of the Lie", who was appointed into office by the son of the evil king (Antiochus) who had overthrown the High Priesthood in the first place, and whom conservative Jєωs regarded as illegitimate on account of how he obtained the office.