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Re: Sedeprivationism anathematized by Vatican I?
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2019, 01:36:51 PM »
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  • The whole Catholic world knew right from wrong before V2 and of their own free will, they chose to do wrong. Always remember that. People will not be led to where they do not already want to go.  

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    "...Most people in the [conciliar] church today do not care that they are heretics. In fact, if you point out certain ideas to them as being heretical, they consider the whole thing irrelevant to such an extent that they can hardly be bothered with it.

    And if you point out, for instance, certain expressions in peoples utterances, or in Catholic, so called Catholic papers and books which are diametrically opposed to Catholic Doctrine and to traditional Catholic belief and practice, again they’re totally unimpressed, simply because they say, “well, the only thing we have to worry about is doing what the priests and bishops and the pope tell us.”

    See what I mean, they are invoking authority to get by and to avoid the whole issue of their personal belief. This is why most people are now in heresy within the Church, not because they want to believe error, many of them really want to know the truth.

    I shouldn’t say that word really, what they really want is what they’ve got, that’s why they have it, that’s why they’ve chosen it, that’s why they fight for it, and its why they continue to absorb it, they cling to it and they love it. So I should not say that word really, but let us say that many people in the church aspire, at least faintly to the truth - not so strongly not so adamantly nor tenaciously that they’d suffer for it, not so that they would fall out with their relatives and their friends on account of it, not so really that they would become such oddities as we have become for the sake of it, but they do hope that they can retain orthodoxy at least within the pale of the church, the problem is it is so much easier to follow the wolves in sheep’s clothing..."</snip> - Fr. Wathen

    So are you saying that Catholics as soon as JXXIII was elected or shortly after were suppose to know that he was a bad and not to follow him? You are dreaming. No Catholic in his right mind back then would EVER rebel against JXXIII and the Holy See. They would have been thrown out immediately and rightly so. I was an eye witness to those days.

    JXXIII was right after PXII. During his reign he was given the same respect as PXII and NO ONE rejected his authority to teach and bind. Everything and I mean everything was rock solid in terms of the faith for the average laity up until that faithful year of 1969. It is always easy to judge in hindsight but it was impossible to judge JXXIII during the time he was alive.

    You are literally proposing that the laity are equipped to judge and parse the actions of the HOLY SEE on a continuous basis for 50 years in order to be saved!

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    Re: Sedeprivationism anathematized by Vatican I?
    « Reply #31 on: August 06, 2019, 01:49:29 PM »
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  • So are you saying that Catholics as soon as JXXIII was elected or shortly after were suppose to know that he was a bad and not to follow him? You are dreaming. No Catholic in his right mind back then would EVER rebel against JXXIII and the Holy SEE. They would have been thrown out immediately and rightly so. I was an eye witness to those days.

    JXXIII was right after PXII. During his reign he was given the same respect as PXII and NOONE rejected his authority to teach and bind. Everything and I mean everything was rock solid in terms of the faith for the average laity up until that faithful year of 1969.

    You are literally proposing that the laity are equipped to judge and parse the actions of the HOLY SEE on a continuous basis for 50 years in order to be saved!
    No, I am not saying anything about JXXIII, nothing at all.

    I am saying that there were a number of people, including priests and nuns who did not go along with the NO because they knew it wasn't right. Most did not understand what was going on exactly, but they knew that what was happening in the Church when the NO was in it's infancy was definitely wrong and rejected it. They did not need to know all the details, it was and is enough to know that it's wrong and on that account to stay away.

    Good thing too because they were the pioneers who laid the foundation for keeping the faith when your Church turns against everything that's been sacred your whole llife. OTOH, where would the faith be today had they ate the poison along with the rest who ate it like candy?
    For a small gain they travel far; for eternal life many will scarcely lift a foot from the ground. - Thomas A Kempis


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    Re: Sedeprivationism anathematized by Vatican I?
    « Reply #32 on: August 06, 2019, 02:11:55 PM »
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  • No, I am not saying anything about JXXIII, nothing at all.

    I am saying that there were a number of people, including priests and nuns who did not go along with the NO because they knew it wasn't right. Most did not understand what was going on exactly, but they knew that what was happening in the Church when the NO was in it's infancy was definitely wrong and rejected it. They did not need to know all the details, it was and is enough to know that it's wrong and on that account to stay away.

    Good thing too because they were the pioneers who laid the foundation for keeping the faith when your Church turns against everything that's been sacred your whole llife. OTOH, where would the faith be today had they ate the poison along with the rest who ate it like candy?
    You are absolutely right.  
    I knew something was wrong and didn't find out what had actually happened at VII until the 80's.  We had no internet and, if you didn't know someone who subscribed to The Remnant or other similar newsletters/publications of those times, you didn't know anything.  
    I never heard the name ABL until 1984.  And it was a few years later that I discovered the old Mass was alive and well.  
    I hated the new Mass.

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    Re: Sedeprivationism anathematized by Vatican I?
    « Reply #33 on: August 06, 2019, 02:12:26 PM »
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