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Offline poche

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« on: December 31, 2014, 04:04:36 AM »
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  • In an address on Sunday to Italy's National Numerous Family Association, Pope Francis thanked the members of large families for their cultivation of virtues that benefit society at large, as well as themselves.

    “The fact of having brothers and sisters is good for you,” he said Dec. 28 to the children among the some 7,000 members of large families from across Italy at the Vatican's Paul VI Hall.

    “The sons and daughters of large families are more inclined to fraternal communion from early childhood. In a world that is frequently marred by selfishness, a large family is a school of solidarity and sharing; and these attitudes are of benefit to all society.”

    The audience was on the occasion of the association's tenth anniversary, and marked the feast of the Holy Family.

    “You have come here with the most beautiful fruits of your love,” he said to the parents of the families. “Maternity and paternity are gifts from God, but your task is to receive this gift, to be amazed by its beauty and to let it shine in society. Each of your children is a unique creation that will never be repeated in the history of humanity. When we understand this, that each person is willed by God, we are astonished by the great miracle that is a child! A child changes your life!”

    We have all seen, he reminded them, men and women who have profoundly changed “when a child arrives,” adding that a child is “the unique fruit of love,” coming from and growing in love.

    “You, children and young people, are the fruit of the tree that is the family: you are good fruit when the tree has good roots – grandparents – and a good trunk – the parents,” Pope Francis said. “The great human family is like a forest, in which the trees bear solidarity, communion, fidelity, support, security, happy moderation, friendship. The presence of large families is a hope for society.”

    This, he said, “is why the presence of grandparents is very important: a valuable presence both in terms of practical assistance, but above all for their contribution to education. Grandparents conserve the values of a people, of a family, and they help parents transmit them to their children. Throughout the last century, in many countries in Europe, it was the grandparents who transmitted the faith.”

    “Dear parents, thank you for your example of love for life that you protect from conception to its natural end, in spite of all the difficulties and burdens of life, that unfortunately public institutions do not always help you to bear.”

    He lamented that while the Italian constitution calls for particular regard for large families, this is only “words” and is “not adequately reflected in the facts.”

    Considering Italy's low birth rate, he voiced hope that it's politicians and public administrators would give large families “all due support.”

    “Every family is a cell of society, but the large family is a richer, more vital cell, and the state has much to gain by investing in it.”

    In light of this, he affirmed the National Numerous Family Association, and groups like it, for advocating for large families in the European nations, and for being “present and visible in society and in politics.”

    He concluded by praying in particular “for those families most affected by the economic crisis, those in which the mother or father have lost their jobs and in which the young are unable to find work, and those families in which the closest relationships are marked by suffering and who are tempted to give in to loneliness and separation.”

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/large-families-are-schools-of-solidarity-and-sharing-francis-affirms-94084/


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    « Reply #1 on: December 31, 2014, 11:58:53 AM »
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  • He didn't define what constitutes a large family.  In the novus ordo, having three children is really really large and sets you apart from the rest of the parishioners.

    I noticed that Pope Francis seems to imply that people belong to the state and that large families are for the benefit of the state.  He seems to get that backwards but we could all be either misreading him, misquoting him, misunderstanding him and misunderestimating him so perhaps we should ignore him.  I think we should all understand that for love of God we also love our fellow man but the love for our fellow man is a byproduct of the source and the source is our love of God.  

    Love Our Lord with all your heart, mind and soul.  Our Lord didn't say that if you don't love God and actively work against His Church, you can still be on the way to Heaven as long as you volunteer serving free food to grifters at soup kitchens.  



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    « Reply #2 on: December 31, 2014, 12:31:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    He didn't define what constitutes a large family.  In the novus ordo, having three children is really really large and sets you apart from the rest of the parishioners.

    I noticed that Pope Francis seems to imply that people belong to the state and that large families are for the benefit of the state.  He seems to get that backwards but we could all be either misreading him, misquoting him, misunderstanding him and misunderestimating him so perhaps we should ignore him.  I think we should all understand that for love of God we also love our fellow man but the love for our fellow man is a byproduct of the source and the source is our love of God.  

    Love Our Lord with all your heart, mind and soul.  Our Lord didn't say that if you don't love God and actively work against His Church, you can still be on the way to Heaven as long as you volunteer serving free food to grifters at soup kitchens.  



    At first glance I didn't realize that this was just Italian families. Now I wonder how many were Catholic, and how many had two or more. Two is huge in Italy from what I am told, it's a really big deal just to have one.

    My initial reaction was the same, because I had seen this swill elsewhere and people were drinking it up. Newsflash Frank: I'm not having children for the state or some vague idea of society. I have children because I desire to follow God's Law and I raise them as Catholics so that we might all save our souls.

    Also, what's with the commie speech "solidarity and sharing" that's just so different from the writings of previous popes who compare families to the Trinity and the Holy Family.

    He also does not define family, but treats it in a open manner that implies a new understanding of family which is likely inconsistent with Catholic morality.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 31, 2014, 12:38:13 PM »
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  • The purpose of having children is to raise future saints in Heaven and soldiers of Christ during this exile.  
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 31, 2014, 01:28:35 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mabel
    Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    He didn't define what constitutes a large family.  In the novus ordo, having three children is really really large and sets you apart from the rest of the parishioners.

    I noticed that Pope Francis seems to imply that people belong to the state and that large families are for the benefit of the state.  He seems to get that backwards but we could all be either misreading him, misquoting him, misunderstanding him and misunderestimating him so perhaps we should ignore him.  I think we should all understand that for love of God we also love our fellow man but the love for our fellow man is a byproduct of the source and the source is our love of God.  

    Love Our Lord with all your heart, mind and soul.  Our Lord didn't say that if you don't love God and actively work against His Church, you can still be on the way to Heaven as long as you volunteer serving free food to grifters at soup kitchens.  



    At first glance I didn't realize that this was just Italian families. Now I wonder how many were Catholic, and how many had two or more. Two is huge in Italy from what I am told, it's a really big deal just to have one.

    My initial reaction was the same, because I had seen this swill elsewhere and people were drinking it up. Newsflash Frank: I'm not having children for the state or some vague idea of society. I have children because I desire to follow God's Law and I raise them as Catholics so that we might all save our souls.

    Also, what's with the commie speech "solidarity and sharing" that's just so different from the writings of previous popes who compare families to the Trinity and the Holy Family.

    He also does not define family, but treats it in a open manner that implies a new understanding of family which is likely inconsistent with Catholic morality.


     :applause:


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    « Reply #5 on: December 31, 2014, 01:51:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    He didn't define what constitutes a large family.  In the novus ordo, having three children is really really large and sets you apart from the rest of the parishioners.

    I noticed that Pope Francis seems to imply that people belong to the state and that large families are for the benefit of the state.  He seems to get that backwards but we could all be either misreading him, misquoting him, misunderstanding him and misunderestimating him so perhaps we should ignore him.  I think we should all understand that for love of God we also love our fellow man but the love for our fellow man is a byproduct of the source and the source is our love of God.  

    Love Our Lord with all your heart, mind and soul.  Our Lord didn't say that if you don't love God and actively work against His Church, you can still be on the way to Heaven as long as you volunteer serving free food to grifters at soup kitchens.  



    He is right following natural order is good for the state but like the pro-lifers he is only stating part of it.

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    « Reply #6 on: December 31, 2014, 01:55:58 PM »
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  • Glad to know I'm a grifter.  :sad:

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    « Reply #7 on: December 31, 2014, 09:12:14 PM »
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  • Also, what's with the commie speech "solidarity and sharing" that's just so different from the writings of previous popes who compare families to the Trinity and the Holy Family.

    Solidarity and sharing is part of being a familiy. and if it is a large family there is a lot of sharing.


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    « Reply #8 on: December 31, 2014, 09:24:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    Also, what's with the commie speech "solidarity and sharing" that's just so different from the writings of previous popes who compare families to the Trinity and the Holy Family.

    Solidarity and sharing is part of being a familiy. and if it is a large family there is a lot of sharing.


    That is just an idiotic statement to me. Sort of like saying "Large families are noisy." Or "Large families have many pairs of shoes."

    He doesn't understand what animates us, nor what it is like to practice virtue within the family.

    I don't know what you think you are trying to do by posting this garbage, Poche. It isn't going to win anyone over. If anything, it only convinces me more that Jorge is a son of Evil.

    You should resolve not to waste your time here with Catholics, if you think you are helping, you are only making a case against yourself. I'm sorry, I'm sure you are a super nice guy and I know you probably mean well. I would even welcome you to my home, as I would most people. I  think that you sometimes are the object of unjust and harsh words, but I also think that you provoke such. Wouldn't you be happier somewhere like CAF? Something to think about.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 01, 2015, 08:05:25 AM »
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    At first glance I didn't realize that this was just Italian families. Now I wonder how many were Catholic, and how many had two or more. Two is huge in Italy from what I am told, it's a really big deal just to have one.



    The National Numerous Family Association: probably yet another false ecuмenical group.  I mean, the name makes me lol.

    Also, if he were just speaking to Catholics, they probably wouldn't be Novus Ordites, but Trads.  In which case, he wouldn't be congratulating them.  He would be scoffing their old ways.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)