Author Topic: Lamentation (Read 7835 times)

Hobbledehoy · « **on:** March 09, 2012, 07:49:33 PM »

Why did the present-day crisis in the Church happen in the first place?

As it is written in Sacred Scriptures, "Nothing under the sun is new, neither is any man able to say: Behold this is new: for it hath already gone before in the ages that were before us" (Eccles. ch. i., 10-14).

The Gospel lesson for today's Lenten ferial Mass harkens back to the lamentation of the Prophet Ezechiel (ch. xix., 10-14) upon the devastated vine that the Lord God had planted but which the iniquities and coninquinations of the apostate Jєωs had wasted:

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Thy mother is like a vine in thy blood planted by the water: her fruit and her branches have grown out of many waters. And she hath strong rods to make sceptres for them that bear rule, and her stature was exalted among the branches: and she saw her height in the multitude of her branches. But she was plucked up in wrath, and cast on the ground, and the burning wind dried up her fruit: her strong rods are withered, and dried up: the fire hath devoured her. And now she is transplanted into the desert, in a land not passable, and dry. And a fire is gone out from a rod of her branches, which hath devoured her fruit: so that she now hath no strong rod, to be a sceptre of rulers. This is a lamentation, and it shall be for a lamentation.

Why did such a thing happen to the ancient Israelites?

Ezechiel had seen the cause of such havoc (ch. viii., 16-18), which the 34th chapter of his Prophecy depicts more explicitly:

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And he brought me into the inner court of the house of the Lord: and behold at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men having their backs towards the temple of the Lord, and their faces to the east: and they adored towards the rising of the sun. And he said to me: Surely thou hast seen, O son of man: is this a light thing to the house of Juda, that they should commit these abominations which they have committed here: because they have filled the land with iniquity, and have turned to provoke me to anger? and behold they put a branch to their nose. Therefore I also will deal with them in my wrath: my eye shall not spare them, neither will I shew mercy: and when they shall cry to my ears with a loud voice, I will not hear them.

Is it because the clerics of Holy Mother Church had been unfaithful and remiss in their sacred offices and duties that our Lord has deigned to visit us with such calamities? Perhaps Our Lady of the Rosary at Fatima meant to warn them of this very thing in the Third Secret, that they may amend and repair for their negligence, which allowed modernism to pervert the clergy and layfolk.

Why does the ecclesiastical crisis continue to this day?

The Gospel lesson for the ferial Mass ought to be an occasion of examination of conscience to those who God has called unto Himself as Priests and Bishops in these calamitous days.

The following [which was written for Priests and those aspiring to Sacred Orders] is taken from Daily Breviary Meditations: Meditations for Every Day on the Scriptural Lessons of the Roman Breviary, in accordance with the Encyclical "Divino Afflante," vol. 2, written by His Excellency the Most Rev. Joseph Angrisani, Bishop of Casale-Monferrato (trans. Rev. Fr. Joseph A. McMullin; New York: Benziger Brothers, Inc., 1954).

Elizabeth · « **Reply #1 on:** March 09, 2012, 10:02:11 PM »

Fiery!

FaithByProxy · « **Reply #2 on:** March 09, 2012, 10:03:52 PM »

I want to hand deliver this in letter form to every priest in my parish.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #3 on:** March 09, 2012, 10:56:29 PM »

Thank you, HH.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #4 on:** March 10, 2012, 11:35:05 AM »

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The Gospel lesson for today's Lenten ferial Mass harkens back to the lamentation of the Prophet Ezechiel (ch. xix., 10-14) upon the devastated vine that the Lord God had planted but which the iniquities and coninquinations of the apostate Jєωs had wasted:

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Thy mother is like a vine in thy blood planted by the water: her fruit and her branches have grown out of many waters. And she hath strong rods to make sceptres for them that bear rule, and her stature was exalted among the branches: and she saw her height in the multitude of her branches. But she was plucked up in wrath, and cast on the ground, and the burning wind dried up her fruit: her strong rods are withered, and dried up: the fire hath devoured her. And now she is transplanted into the desert, in a land not passable, and dry. And a fire is gone out from a rod of her branches, which hath devoured her fruit: so that she now hath no strong rod, to be a sceptre of rulers. This is a lamentation, and it shall be for a lamentation.

This chapter of the Prophecy of Ezechiel furnishes the Scriptural lessons for the Saturday in the first week of November. The following meditations, taken from the tome Daily Breviary Meditations: Meditations for Every Day on the Scriptural Lessons of the Roman Breviary, in accordance with the Encyclical "Divino Afflante," (vol. 4) are pertinent to this thread's initial post.

"Qui habet aures audiendi, audiat" (S. Matt. cap. xiii., 9).

lefebvre_fan · « **Reply #5 on:** March 11, 2012, 07:50:00 AM »

Thanks to you, Hobbledehoy, I learned a new word today: coninquinations!

Here's what the 1st edition of the Oxford English Dictionary has to say:

Elizabeth · « **Reply #6 on:** March 11, 2012, 12:24:02 PM »

Thanks, LefevbvreFan.

SJB · « **Reply #7 on:** March 12, 2012, 07:53:31 PM »

Quote from: Rawhide/Bazz/Nonno/Cupertino

Quote from: Hobbledehoy
Is it because the clerics of Holy Mother Church had been unfaithful and remiss in their sacred offices and duties that our Lord has deigned to visit us with such calamities? Perhaps Our Lady of the Rosary at Fatima meant to warn them of this very thing in the Third Secret, that they may amend and repair for their negligence, which allowed modernism to pervert the clergy and layfolk.

Why does the ecclesiastical crisis continue to this day?

The Gospel lesson for the ferial Mass ought to be an occasion of examination of conscience to those who God has called unto Himself as Priests and Bishops in these calamitous days.

I don't agree with this. This is putting too much blame on the clergy, at any time.

I actually agree with Rawhide/Bazz/Nonno/Cupertino here. The message of Fatima was for the people to amend their lives.

Quote from: Rawhide/Bazz/Nonno/Cupertino

St. John Eudes tells us that the blame is really to be placed on the sins of Catholics in general for God allowing such things:

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"The most imminent mark of God's anger, and the most terrible castigation He can inflict upon the world is manifested when He permits His people to fall into the hands of a clergy who are clergy more in name than in deed; priests who practice the cruelty of ravening wolves rather than the charity and affection of devoted shepherds. They abandon the things of God to devote themselves to the things of the world, and in their saintly calling of holiness they spend their time in profane and worldly pursuits. When God permits such things, it is a very positive proof that He is thoroughly angry with His people, and is visiting His most dreadful wrath upon them."

Sounds like St. John Eudes is calling such clergy "ravening wolves" and saying they are "clergy more in name than in deed," regardless of the ultimate reasons God allows such wolves to wreak havoc on the sheep. It is still an act of charity to expose the wolves.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #8 on:** March 17, 2012, 12:47:07 PM »

Quote from: Cupertino

Quote from: Hobbledehoy
Is it because the clerics of Holy Mother Church had been unfaithful and remiss in their sacred offices and duties that our Lord has deigned to visit us with such calamities? Perhaps Our Lady of the Rosary at Fatima meant to warn them of this very thing in the Third Secret, that they may amend and repair for their negligence, which allowed modernism to pervert the clergy and layfolk.

I don't agree with this.

I personally believe the Third Secret was specifically addressed to the upper hierarchy, whilst the message of Our Lady of the Rosary at Fatima in its entirety was addressed to the whole of Christendom (clergy and laity). I do not see how Our Lady would have kept the Third Secret unpublished until 1960 if the contrary were true. Sr. Lucia did not get to publish it, but she gave enough information for us to discern its contents. Moreover, Sr. Lucia herself became the embodiment of the Third Secret (cf. Apoc. cap. x., 9-10; Ezech. cap. iii., 1 sqq.): knowing what happened to her would be a key to discovering the Third Secret's contents. The contents of the Secret are to be found in various places of Holy Writ (such as the Prophecies of Daniel, Ezechiel, Jeremias, Lamentations, and Habacuc; the Books of Kings; the eschatological discourse of Our Lord in the holy Gospels; the Apocalypse of St. John, etc.). I believe the Third Secret foretold the present-day crisis assailing Holy Mother Church.

Sr. Lucia's extraordinary vocation was to be a marvelous coalescence of the lives of the Seraphic Virgin, St. Catherine of Sienna, and of the Little Flower, St. Thérèse of the Child Jesus: a victim soul who would make reparation through horrible suffering for the iniquities of the faithful in a hidden, contemplative life, particularly in impetration for the liberty and exaltation of Holy Mother Church in the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Our Blessed Mother -- which is the reign of the Sacred Heart of Jesus all the more perfectly established, according to the doctrine of St. Louis-Marie.

The same could be said of Padre Pio, though in a more extraordinary way.

The fruits of both their apostolates of prayer and sacrifice can be seen in the manner in which a great number of the faithful persevere in the practice and profession of the Catholic faith, particularly in the devotion to the Holy Rosary.

These are just my personal observations.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #9 on:** March 18, 2012, 03:33:58 AM »

This is what JP2 had to say about the third part of the ONE secret....

Here are Wojtyla’s words when asked about it all in 1980 in Fulda, Germany:

“If there is a message in which it is said that the oceans will flood entire sections of the earth; that, from one moment to the other, millions of people will perish . . . there is no longer any point in really wanting to publish this secret message. Many want to know merely out of curiosity, or because of their taste for sensationalism, but they forget that ‘to know’ implies for them a responsibility. It is dangerous to want to satisfy one’s curiosity only, if one is convinced that we can do nothing against a catastrophe that has been predicted…. (At this point he took hold of his Rosary and said:) Here is the remedy against all evil! Pray, pray and ask for nothing else. Put everything in the hands of the Mother of God!”

Another report has him saying this: “I and the Popes before me did not reveal the third secret of Fatima because we did not want to make the people give up and say ‘then what is the use to continue living.’ Furthermore, we did not want to create a sensationalism in the news media. Regarding the third secret of Fatima every Christian should know the following: Continents will disappear beneath the oceans. Whole Nations will be destroyed from moment to moment.” After some weeks of speculation in the newspapers that this could be the result of a nuclear war, Pope John Paul II said to the press to stop saying that the secret of Fatima predicts a nuclear war. “No, All that I have said in Germany is the result of natural causes.”

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #10 on:** March 18, 2012, 11:29:11 AM »

It is evident to anyone who has researched the Third Secret of Fatima that it concerns the Great Apostasy, the

Antipopes, and the absence of Transubstantiation in the invalid Novus Ordo Masses.

The Third Secret of Fatima will obviously vindicate the Sede position about the crisis in the Church.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #11 on:** April 04, 2012, 09:23:37 PM »

Here is a commentary upon the Lessons for the First Nocturn at Matins for Maundy Thursday, taken from Daily Breviary Meditations: Meditations for Every Day on the Scriptural Lessons of the Roman Breviary, in accordance with the Encyclical "Divino Afflante," vol. 2, written by His Excellency the Most Rev. Joseph Angrisani, Bishop of Casale-Monferrato (trans. Rev. Fr. Joseph A. McMullin; New York: Benziger Brothers, Inc., 1954). This was originally written as material for meditation for Priests and those aspiring to Sacred Orders.

"Qui habet aures audiendi, audiat" (S. Matt. cap. xiii., 9).

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #12 on:** April 05, 2012, 06:47:56 PM »

Here is a commentary upon the Lessons for the First Nocturn at Matins for Good Friday, taken from Daily Breviary Meditations: Meditations for Every Day on the Scriptural Lessons of the Roman Breviary, in accordance with the Encyclical "Divino Afflante."

"Qui habet aures audiendi, audiat" (S. Matt. cap. xiii., 9).

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #13 on:** April 06, 2012, 07:07:14 PM »

Here is a commentary upon the Lessons for the First Nocturn at Matins for Holy Saturday, taken from Daily Breviary Meditations: Meditations for Every Day on the Scriptural Lessons of the Roman Breviary, in accordance with the Encyclical "Divino Afflante."

"Qui habet aures audiendi, audiat" (S. Matt. cap. xiii., 9).

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #14 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:30:26 AM »

Amidst absurd and puerile polemics, base chicanery, and machinations unworthy of the profession and practice of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Faith, both on the part of the clergy and laity, I keep asking myself, what has become of the Church of the Christ?

The Third Secret, I believe, is now lost or destroyed but still to be discerned from the Prophets and their divinely inspired oracles, such as the following from Ezechiel, for Sr. Lucia was but another Ezechiel, another Elias, becoming the daughter of St. Elias at her profession as a Carmelite Nun: "Thy mother is like a vine in thy blood planted by the water: her fruit and her branches have grown out of many waters. And she hath strong rods to make sceptres for them that bear rule, and her stature was exalted among the branches: and she saw her height in the multitude of her branches. But she was plucked up in wrath, and cast on the ground, and the burning wind dried up her fruit: her strong rods are withered, and dried up: the fire hath devoured her. And now she is transplanted into the desert, in a land not passable, and dry. And a fire is gone out from a rod of her branches, which hath devoured her fruit: so that she now hath no strong rod, to be a sceptre of rulers. This is a lamentation, and it shall be for a lamentation" (ch. xix., 10-14).

A glimpse of the harrowing prophecy of Our Lady of the Rosary at Fatima can be seen in these pages taken from the tome Explanation of the Prayers and Ceremonies of Holy Mass: Taken from Notes Made at the Conferences of Dom Prosper Guéranger, Abbot of Solesmes (trans. Dom Laurence Shepherd; London: Burns & Oates, 1885), for it seems to be the chilling foreshadowing of our times: