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Re: Laity Vocal Reponses are a Novelty
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2020, 03:22:07 PM »
Then maybe speak up and say something.  Maybe these French priests are not aware of the local customs and, as such, are not even aware themselves that they are doing something against the custom of the (foreign to them) country. (they have been here for years and know the customs, they think the customs are mistaken, that Americans do not know what they are doing)

You may want to do the same thing with the "...ignorant Novus Ordo refugees."  (Time will take care of it, IF the new arrival Novus ordos are worthy of learning tradition. I believe these mass "active participation" changes are a punishment from God upon the SSPXers there, because they are indifferent to the changes themselves. All the serious Trad old timers are gone, so the scattered few serious ones left are all alone. This is like the changing of the days of the week after the French revolution, in time it will die. There is a reason why the customs of Americans is different than the French, and things always return to their nature. In France less than 4% of Catholics go to mass, they are no country to emulate, but these French priests do not see that. They are blind guides.)  

Or maybe instructing the ignorant, one of the spiritual works of mercy, isn't applicable to French priests and/or Novus Ordo refugees? ( not if they do not want to hear it, because "they know better".)
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Re: Laity Vocal Reponses are a Novelty
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2020, 03:49:22 PM »
The French priests described have been here for years and know the customs, they just think the customs are mistaken and  that Americans do not know what they are doing. Of course there is a reason why the customs of Americans is different than the French. In France less than 4% of Catholics go to mass, they are no country to emulate, but these French priests do not see that, nor do they want to see because "they know better”. This is 1965 all over again, “active participation” will save the Church. Never mind that it does not work in France, it will work this time.


Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

 P.S. – mass attendance in the USA is 6 times higher than France. Putting that figure into better perspective: If you were selling your car and you received advice from two people who had the identical car, one who sold his for $7000 and another who sold it for $42,000, who would you seek to emulate? These French priests want to emulate the person that sold it for $7000



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Re: Laity Vocal Reponses are a Novelty
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2020, 08:10:23 PM »
P.S. – mass attendance in the USA is 6 times higher than France. Putting that figure into better perspective: If you were selling your car and you received advice from two people who had the identical car, one who sold his for $7000 and another who sold it for $42,000, who would you seek to emulate? These French priests want to emulate the person that sold it for $7000


The French do have a superiority complex, and that includes their race. They are extremely racist, and I've heard this from friends who saw it first-hand. I guess that makes it second-hand for me. But I completely trust the Trads who reported these things, so I consider it a fact.

Good analogy. Whatever the French are doing, we should avoid by all means! Who wants 4% Mass attendance? They've lost it.

Re: Laity Vocal Reponses are a Novelty
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2020, 09:23:59 AM »
The French priests described have been here for years and know the customs, they just think the customs are mistaken...

So not only does this appear to be a problem of the priests, but one that has been around for years, and is only now more apparent because of the "...ignorant Novus Ordo refugees."

Looks like your chapel needs American priests.  Aren't there any?  If not, why not?

Re: Laity Vocal Reponses are a Novelty
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2020, 09:34:46 AM »
The French do have a superiority complex, and that includes their race. They are extremely racist, and I've heard this from friends who saw it first-hand. I guess that makes it second-hand for me. But I completely trust the Trads who reported these things, so I consider it a fact.

Good analogy. Whatever the French are doing, we should avoid by all means! Who wants 4% Mass attendance? They've lost it.

As the eldest daughter of the Church, so goes France, so goes the Church.  And as the Church's eldest daughter, France has clearly been the target of spiritual attack for at least as long as the U.S. has been a country. Can you imagine what the U.S. would be like today if at some point it outlawed the Catholic Church, as well as kicked out and/or killed the vast majority of its religious?  In that regard alone, I'll give France my support rather than turn my back on it in disgust. 

As for France being "extremely racist" I'm not even sure what that means.  "Racist" towards whom?  North African Mohammedans? Jews? Catholics? (BTW, Catholicism is not a race). I've spent time in France, and found that even towards Americans the French are warm and welcoming. This is especially true once one leaves the larger cities and travels throughout the countryside.