I saw that article. No surprise that AQ deleted it either. They love locking and deleting threads over there.

I don't think there is any reason to panic. BF doesn't want Tradition linked to revisionism, nαzι groups, etc. It would mean the enemy wins. He's simply being prudent and cautious. BW is complying.

I think everyone is blowing this out of proportion. There is no reason for BF to sell out his life's work for nothing. Have some Faith. The enemy wants us to turn on each other. Divide and conquer.

A lot of Sedes have been constantly squawking about a "sell-out" and using the Williamson affair as a chance to divide the Society, instill hopelessness in Society members and get them to become schismatics along with them. It seems they take every chance they get through whatever means necessary to ruin any possible doctrinal discussions with Rome. In my opinion Sedevacantism is poison and a false solution to the Crisis. Sedevacantism is the mirror image of Neo-Catholicism in that both mindsets delusionally ignore the crisis. The Neo-Caths say, what crisis? The Church is fine. The Sedes say, what crisis? There is no Pope. Only crisis is in a false church anyway. Neither mindset either recognizes the true nature of the crisis or encourages jack squat to actually be done about it. Neo-Caths passively await orders and what insanity they will defend next. Sedes passively sit there in their caves waiting for God to re-establish His Church miraculously while they take pot shots at the Society and other Trads who are actually trying to do something to resolve the crisis.

As I've said before, what possible basis do Society Catholics and Sedes have to discuss any crisis in the Church? The Sede response will be one or two lines saying "see I told you he's not Pope" or "there goes the anti-Church again", etc. There is nothing to discuss if you are a Sede except how miserable this anti-pope and false church is. If you are a Society Catholic there are very many substantive issues and distinctions to be discussed in what is happening in the true Church that REALLY is visible and does exist during this crisis.

I see a lot less activity on the forum lately and I'm afraid it is due to the large influx of Sedes who either kill or derail any intelligent non-Sede discussion of the crisis. This is why I  requested any Sede discussion limited to its own forum. Sedevacantist premises completely eviscerate the dialogue between non-Sedes. How can I have an intelligent discussion on anything the Pope did with someone who is working off the premise he is an evil usurper layman? We're not even on the same planet.

I'm clueless because I haven't "connected the dots" that Christ's promise was a lie and the Church defected, there is no Pope, problem solved?

No thanks. I fear "connecting the dots" = making rash and presumptuous assumptions based on scant or non-existant evidence.

A lot of Sedes have been constantly squawking about a "sell-out" and using the Williamson affair as a chance to divide the Society, instill hopelessness in Society members and get them to become schismatics along with them. It seems they take every chance they get through whatever means necessary to ruin any possible doctrinal discussions with Rome. In my opinion Sedevacantism is poison and a false solution to the Crisis. Sedevacantism is the mirror image of Neo-Catholicism in that both mindsets delusionally ignore the crisis. The Neo-Caths say, what crisis? The Church is fine. The Sedes say, what crisis? There is no Pope. Only crisis is in a false church anyway. Neither mindset either recognizes the true nature of the crisis or encourages jack squat to actually be done about it. Neo-Caths passively await orders and what insanity they will defend next. Sedes passively sit there in their caves waiting for God to re-establish His Church miraculously while they take pot shots at the Society and other Trads who are actually trying to do something to resolve the crisis.

As I've said before, what possible basis do Society Catholics and Sedes have to discuss any crisis in the Church? The Sede response will be one or two lines saying "see I told you he's not Pope" or "there goes the anti-Church again", etc. There is nothing to discuss if you are a Sede except how miserable this anti-pope and false church is. If you are a Society Catholic there are very many substantive issues and distinctions to be discussed in what is happening in the true Church that REALLY is visible and does exist during this crisis.

I see a lot less activity on the forum lately and I'm afraid it is due to the large influx of Sedes who either kill or derail any intelligent non-Sede discussion of the crisis. This is why I  requested any Sede discussion limited to its own forum. Sedevacantist premises completely eviscerate the dialogue between non-Sedes. How can I have an intelligent discussion on anything the Pope did with someone who is working off the premise he is an evil usurper layman? We're not even on the same planet.

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A lot of Sedes have been constantly squawking about a "sell-out" and using the Williamson affair as a chance to divide the Society, instill hopelessness in Society members and get them to become schismatics along with them. It seems they take every chance they get through whatever means necessary to ruin any possible doctrinal discussions with Rome. In my opinion Sedevacantism is poison and a false solution to the Crisis. Sedevacantism is the mirror image of Neo-Catholicism in that both mindsets delusionally ignore the crisis. The Neo-Caths say, what crisis? The Church is fine. The Sedes say, what crisis? There is no Pope. Only crisis is in a false church anyway. Neither mindset either recognizes the true nature of the crisis or encourages jack squat to actually be done about it. Neo-Caths passively await orders and what insanity they will defend next. Sedes passively sit there in their caves waiting for God to re-establish His Church miraculously while they take pot shots at the Society and other Trads who are actually trying to do something to resolve the crisis.

As I've said before, what possible basis do Society Catholics and Sedes have to discuss any crisis in the Church? The Sede response will be one or two lines saying "see I told you he's not Pope" or "there goes the anti-Church again", etc. There is nothing to discuss if you are a Sede except how miserable this anti-pope and false church is. If you are a Society Catholic there are very many substantive issues and distinctions to be discussed in what is happening in the true Church that REALLY is visible and does exist during this crisis.

I see a lot less activity on the forum lately and I'm afraid it is due to the large influx of Sedes who either kill or derail any intelligent non-Sede discussion of the crisis. This is why I  requested any Sede discussion limited to its own forum. Sedevacantist premises completely eviscerate the dialogue between non-Sedes. How can I have an intelligent discussion on anything the Pope did with someone who is working off the premise he is an evil usurper layman? We're not even on the same planet.

Sedes are basically on the exact opposite end of the scale than the modernists on the whole crisis viewpoint. Arguing with the sedes on the subject of the crisis in the Church isn't as bad as doing so with the modernists because at least the sedes realize that there is a big problem. However, I agree that some sedes are only interested in debating on whether or not the Pope is really the Pope or not. I think we have much bigger issues to discuss than just that. I have respect for sedevacanism, but only basic sedevacanism. My opinion is that sedevacanism should start and stop at the fact that a person believes the Chair of Peter is vacant. What I don't have much respect for is extreme sedevacanism, which includes thinking the SSPX is so corrupt and twisted, thinking that numerous Popes were anti-popes when they were really good Popes, etc. I too would like to discuss something without the whole "Pope or anti-pope" argument coming up, but it's something you get used to after posting here a while. As far as this forum not being active, this place has actually been quite active the last week or so. As Matthew said, forum activity comes and goes just as it does with any forum. If CatholicInfo isn't active, it rarely ever-if ever-is due to the sedes.