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A lot of Sedes have been constantly squawking about a "sell-out" and using the Williamson affair as a chance to divide the Society, instill hopelessness in Society members and get them to become schismatics along with them. It seems they take every chance they get through whatever means necessary to ruin any possible doctrinal discussions with Rome. In my opinion Sedevacantism is poison and a false solution to the Crisis. Sedevacantism is the mirror image of Neo-Catholicism in that both mindsets delusionally ignore the crisis. The Neo-Caths say, what crisis? The Church is fine. The Sedes say, what crisis? There is no Pope. Only crisis is in a false church anyway. Neither mindset either recognizes the true nature of the crisis or encourages jack squat to actually be done about it. Neo-Caths passively await orders and what insanity they will defend next. Sedes passively sit there in their caves waiting for God to re-establish His Church miraculously while they take pot shots at the Society and other Trads who are actually trying to do something to resolve the crisis.

As I've said before, what possible basis do Society Catholics and Sedes have to discuss any crisis in the Church? The Sede response will be one or two lines saying "see I told you he's not Pope" or "there goes the anti-Church again", etc. There is nothing to discuss if you are a Sede except how miserable this anti-pope and false church is. If you are a Society Catholic there are very many substantive issues and distinctions to be discussed in what is happening in the true Church that REALLY is visible and does exist during this crisis.

I see a lot less activity on the forum lately and I'm afraid it is due to the large influx of Sedes who either kill or derail any intelligent non-Sede discussion of the crisis. This is why I  requested any Sede discussion limited to its own forum. Sedevacantist premises completely eviscerate the dialogue between non-Sedes. How can I have an intelligent discussion on anything the Pope did with someone who is working off the premise he is an evil usurper layman? We're not even on the same planet.

Sedes are basically on the exact opposite end of the scale than the modernists on the whole crisis viewpoint. Arguing with the sedes on the subject of the crisis in the Church isn't as bad as doing so with the modernists because at least the sedes realize that there is a big problem. However, I agree that some sedes are only interested in debating on whether or not the Pope is really the Pope or not. I think we have much bigger issues to discuss than just that. I have respect for sedevacanism, but only basic sedevacanism. My opinion is that sedevacanism should start and stop at the fact that a person believes the Chair of Peter is vacant. What I don't have much respect for is extreme sedevacanism, which includes thinking the SSPX is so corrupt and twisted, thinking that numerous Popes were anti-popes when they were really good Popes, etc. I too would like to discuss something without the whole "Pope or anti-pope" argument coming up, but it's something you get used to after posting here a while. As far as this forum not being active, this place has actually been quite active the last week or so. As Matthew said, forum activity comes and goes just as it does with any forum. If CatholicInfo isn't active, it rarely ever-if ever-is due to the sedes.

There you go again Stevus!
You seem to know how to project the Sede mindset, but you are not a Sede!  Have you ever researched what Sedes truly believe?
We   DO care what goes on in Holy Mother Church!  We just believe that Holy Mother Church is no longer represented by the Novus Ordo church of the beast!

Where is Holy Mother the church today?  It is represented by true Catholic clergy and laypeople that believe ALL the truths which the  Church has always taught!
What are Trad groups doing to restore the Church ? Basically, they are KEEPING the faith of our Fathers.  There is no dialogue with the Modernist Church

Then you have the SSPX calling the Sedes schizmatic

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Emerentiana:

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Then you have the SSPX calling the Sedes schizmatic

No, Emerentiana, not all SSPXers. I can point you to a number of Society faithful who make no such judgment, including myself.  I enjoyed your post, BTW

I  know the SSPX do not all feel that way about the sedes.  Each priest I have talked to has a different opinion.  The current priest we have at the local chapter is an  "extreme". SSPX  (here I go with the labels.ha ha).  He gave three tyranical sermons on sedevacantism  before I was booted from the chapel.  The priest before him did not have that opinion.

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LABELS!  LABELS!   What, pray tell us Spiritus is EXTREME Sedevacantism?


I hardly classify myself as an extremist.  The CMRI, whos congregation Ive been associated with for over 40 years, state that  
Valid Priests say valid masses
We can go to any valid mass
We simply believe that the  Chair is Vacant in Rome, but that there are valid priests and bishops throughout the world.  

Some sede groups have become "cultish".  They think they are the only SEDE group out there!  They are STILL simply SEDES....... with a warped prospective!  No  papal authority is there to tell them differently.  
The Vatican imposter says Bishop williamson is not a "Catholic in the true sense", and the SSPX are schizmatic.  Those are his pronouncements.
Then you have the SSPX calling the Sedes schizmatic!!!!!!!   Everyone crowing and fingerpointing!  If it wasnt so serious, it would be hilarious.
SSPX is SO afraid to loose its members......less money to give Bishop Fellay for his "investments"
 :pop:

Did I say you were an extremist? No. Extreme sedevacanism is sedevacanism taken to a much higher level. Extreme sedes believe that numerous Popes were anti-popes and also go nuts over the anti-pope debate. An extremist is someone like CM or AntiClimax.

Then there are the dogmatic Sedevacantists --

Those who believe that if you set foot in a non-sedevacantist chapel, you might as well be attending a protestant service. You are a sellout and possibly a heretic.

They think that attending a Mass where the 1962 Missal is used --or Benedict XVI's name is uttered -- makes you odious to God.

They believe that "the See is vacant" is another dogma of the Catholic Faith -- just like the Incarnation, perpetual virginity of Mary, or the Particular Judgment.

Such people are NOT sanguine about people making other choices in this Crisis -- in fact, they often condemn fellow Sedevacantists who are not "dogmatic" about it as they are.

Needless to say, such people are not welcome on CathInfo.