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« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2010, 09:51:28 AM »
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    I saw that article. No surprise that AQ deleted it either. They love locking and deleting threads over there.


    All interesting or pertinent and intelligent debate is immediately locked with a sarcastic quip.

    It's like their mods have radar as to whenever substantive discussion is occurring and they feel compelled to stamp it out.

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    « Reply #31 on: November 30, 2010, 10:05:19 AM »
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    At the end of all of this there will be a spilt in the Society.
    One group will go with the Vatican !! church and the other group will become sedevacantists.
     


    note sure where you got this conclusion from, other than wanting itto be true-in 70's, not like ABL went SV...if there is a split, if, then why do we not think those not going to Rome, per se, would not remain as they are now, but also, no SV????

    again, wonder if for some SV is almost a religion in itself....
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    « Reply #32 on: November 30, 2010, 11:02:17 AM »
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    I don't think there is any reason to panic. BF doesn't want Tradition linked to revisionism, Nazi groups, etc. It would mean the enemy wins. He's simply being prudent and cautious. BW is complying.

    I think everyone is blowing this out of proportion. There is no reason for BF to sell out his life's work for nothing. Have some Faith. The enemy wants us to turn on each other. Divide and conquer.


    Like I told you before, Stevus.........you just cant connect the dots in this battle between the forces of Christ and Antichrist!    Clueless! :pop:

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    « Reply #33 on: November 30, 2010, 11:11:31 AM »
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  • I'm clueless because I haven't "connected the dots" that Christ's promise was a lie and the Church defected, there is no Pope, problem solved?

    No thanks. I fear "connecting the dots" = making rash and presumptuous assumptions based on scant or non-existant evidence.

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    « Reply #34 on: November 30, 2010, 11:13:26 AM »
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    A lot of Sedes have been constantly squawking about a "sell-out" and using the Williamson affair as a chance to divide the Society, instill hopelessness in Society members and get them to become schismatics along with them. It seems they take every chance they get through whatever means necessary to ruin any possible doctrinal discussions with Rome. In my opinion Sedevacantism is poison and a false solution to the Crisis. Sedevacantism is the mirror image of Neo-Catholicism in that both mindsets delusionally ignore the crisis. The Neo-Caths say, what crisis? The Church is fine. The Sedes say, what crisis? There is no Pope. Only crisis is in a false church anyway. Neither mindset either recognizes the true nature of the crisis or encourages jack squat to actually be done about it. Neo-Caths passively await orders and what insanity they will defend next. Sedes passively sit there in their caves waiting for God to re-establish His Church miraculously while they take pot shots at the Society and other Trads who are actually trying to do something to resolve the crisis.

    As I've said before, what possible basis do Society Catholics and Sedes have to discuss any crisis in the Church? The Sede response will be one or two lines saying "see I told you he's not Pope" or "there goes the anti-Church again", etc. There is nothing to discuss if you are a Sede except how miserable this anti-pope and false church is. If you are a Society Catholic there are very many substantive issues and distinctions to be discussed in what is happening in the true Church that REALLY is visible and does exist during this crisis.

    I see a lot less activity on the forum lately and I'm afraid it is due to the large influx of Sedes who either kill or derail any intelligent non-Sede discussion of the crisis. This is why I  requested any Sede discussion limited to its own forum. Sedevacantist premises completely eviscerate the dialogue between non-Sedes. How can I have an intelligent discussion on anything the Pope did with someone who is working off the premise he is an evil usurper layman? We're not even on the same planet.


    Maybe there is a lot less activity Stevus, because you have come in here and taken over the threads with your rediculous posts.  Get the BIG Pictutre.   Its a battle for souls out there, and ALL Catholics whetever persuasion are game  in this Battle! :fryingpan:


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    « Reply #35 on: November 30, 2010, 11:53:02 AM »
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    But I continue to attend their chapels because I know that each priest is a different man, which means that some can be holy while others have serious issues. AND getting the Sacraments in an atmosphere where the entire Catholic Faith is preserved is very important. Likewise, now that I have a family, it's important that the sermons be sound and the Catholic Faith be taught inviolate.

     Yes!  Each priest is a different man!  That goes for each Roman Catholic priest of whatever group he belongs to.

    Also, (speaking of SSPX) a lot of the newer ones are just radiant in their love for souls.

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    « Reply #36 on: November 30, 2010, 11:54:45 AM »
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    I'm clueless because I haven't "connected the dots" that Christ's promise was a lie and the Church defected, there is no Pope, problem solved?

    No thanks. I fear "connecting the dots" = making rash and presumptuous assumptions based on scant or non-existant evidence.


    some dots are not dots at all, some are dots because we want them to be..........that is why some are so led astray....
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    « Reply #37 on: November 30, 2010, 12:02:51 PM »
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    I'm clueless because I haven't "connected the dots" that Christ's promise was a lie and the Church defected, there is no Pope, problem solved?

    No thanks. I fear "connecting the dots" = making rash and presumptuous assumptions based on scant or non-existant evidence.


    Maybe you should study the history of the church!  Youll find that the church has had many many antipopes, and survived.  We just have a new series now.  This is the longest period of Interregnum in the church's history.  
    The book Tumultuous Times by Fr Dominic and Fr Francisco Radecki spells it out.  You can get it on Amazon.com

    BTW......spoken like a lawyer!    Cant see the forest from the trees.
    Im a simple lady......you dont have to be a scholar to know whats happening today.  In fact, most scholars have been derailed
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    BTW, most lawyers are very busy and dont spend all day on  forums.  Whats your motive for all of this?  Being paid, maybe? :scratchchin:


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    « Reply #38 on: November 30, 2010, 12:07:07 PM »
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  • The Pope authorizes people in the Vatican to say condoms are acceptable in certain circumstances.

    The Pope kisses a Koran.

    The Pope invites representatives of other religions to worship at Assissi and an idol of Buddha is put on the altar there.

    Now, how far down the path to corruption and heresy must a Pope go before we say the gates of hell have prevailed in his particular case?

    Can we never say it, no matter what he does?  There is no conceivable case where we would have to say he cannot be Pope?  

    And does it really follow that the Church defected if there was an invalid election in 1958?

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    « Reply #39 on: November 30, 2010, 12:14:55 PM »
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  • one has to prove the election in 1958 was wrong, though a lot of speculation.......

    as I notd in hte past, and will note now as clear as  ican be, I could give a rats ass who is or is not a Pope......we have a crisis, one we would contend with whether a Pope is dead and were would be in-between reigns, one if Siri was elected or not,etc.....we are in crisis mode and debating who is or is not a Pope is detracting from the crisis worldwide on a whole....believe B16 is Pope or not, in the end of the day, do the flowers bloom, the birds sing and the sun shine? No, we have the dark of winter night regardless of B16 is a Pius the 10th, a Luther,etc.....

    again, could really care......it is not important.imagine, if oyu will, Pius 10 dies and we did not get a new pope for 10 yrs-would that mean the crisises were abatted? no problmes?.....so Pope, no Pope, intergum of 52 yrs, does not amtter a hoot, at end of day, will be in crisis mode regardless......

    lets finally move on.....
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    « Reply #40 on: November 30, 2010, 05:00:35 PM »
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    A lot of Sedes have been constantly squawking about a "sell-out" and using the Williamson affair as a chance to divide the Society, instill hopelessness in Society members and get them to become schismatics along with them. It seems they take every chance they get through whatever means necessary to ruin any possible doctrinal discussions with Rome. In my opinion Sedevacantism is poison and a false solution to the Crisis. Sedevacantism is the mirror image of Neo-Catholicism in that both mindsets delusionally ignore the crisis. The Neo-Caths say, what crisis? The Church is fine. The Sedes say, what crisis? There is no Pope. Only crisis is in a false church anyway. Neither mindset either recognizes the true nature of the crisis or encourages jack squat to actually be done about it. Neo-Caths passively await orders and what insanity they will defend next. Sedes passively sit there in their caves waiting for God to re-establish His Church miraculously while they take pot shots at the Society and other Trads who are actually trying to do something to resolve the crisis.

    As I've said before, what possible basis do Society Catholics and Sedes have to discuss any crisis in the Church? The Sede response will be one or two lines saying "see I told you he's not Pope" or "there goes the anti-Church again", etc. There is nothing to discuss if you are a Sede except how miserable this anti-pope and false church is. If you are a Society Catholic there are very many substantive issues and distinctions to be discussed in what is happening in the true Church that REALLY is visible and does exist during this crisis.

    I see a lot less activity on the forum lately and I'm afraid it is due to the large influx of Sedes who either kill or derail any intelligent non-Sede discussion of the crisis. This is why I  requested any Sede discussion limited to its own forum. Sedevacantist premises completely eviscerate the dialogue between non-Sedes. How can I have an intelligent discussion on anything the Pope did with someone who is working off the premise he is an evil usurper layman? We're not even on the same planet.


    Sedes are basically on the exact opposite end of the scale than the modernists on the whole crisis viewpoint. Arguing with the sedes on the subject of the crisis in the Church isn't as bad as doing so with the modernists because at least the sedes realize that there is a big problem. However, I agree that some sedes are only interested in debating on whether or not the Pope is really the Pope or not. I think we have much bigger issues to discuss than just that. I have respect for sedevacanism, but only basic sedevacanism. My opinion is that sedevacanism should start and stop at the fact that a person believes the Chair of Peter is vacant. What I don't have much respect for is extreme sedevacanism, which includes thinking the SSPX is so corrupt and twisted, thinking that numerous Popes were anti-popes when they were really good Popes, etc. I too would like to discuss something without the whole "Pope or anti-pope" argument coming up, but it's something you get used to after posting here a while. As far as this forum not being active, this place has actually been quite active the last week or so. As Matthew said, forum activity comes and goes just as it does with any forum. If CatholicInfo isn't active, it rarely ever-if ever-is due to the sedes.


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    « Reply #41 on: November 30, 2010, 06:00:49 PM »
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  • Stevus ---->says "schismatics along with them" regarding those who are taking the sede position.

    May God have mercy on your soul, Stevus!

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    « Reply #42 on: November 30, 2010, 07:56:37 PM »
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    A lot of Sedes have been constantly squawking about a "sell-out" and using the Williamson affair as a chance to divide the Society, instill hopelessness in Society members and get them to become schismatics along with them. It seems they take every chance they get through whatever means necessary to ruin any possible doctrinal discussions with Rome. In my opinion Sedevacantism is poison and a false solution to the Crisis. Sedevacantism is the mirror image of Neo-Catholicism in that both mindsets delusionally ignore the crisis. The Neo-Caths say, what crisis? The Church is fine. The Sedes say, what crisis? There is no Pope. Only crisis is in a false church anyway. Neither mindset either recognizes the true nature of the crisis or encourages jack squat to actually be done about it. Neo-Caths passively await orders and what insanity they will defend next. Sedes passively sit there in their caves waiting for God to re-establish His Church miraculously while they take pot shots at the Society and other Trads who are actually trying to do something to resolve the crisis.

    As I've said before, what possible basis do Society Catholics and Sedes have to discuss any crisis in the Church? The Sede response will be one or two lines saying "see I told you he's not Pope" or "there goes the anti-Church again", etc. There is nothing to discuss if you are a Sede except how miserable this anti-pope and false church is. If you are a Society Catholic there are very many substantive issues and distinctions to be discussed in what is happening in the true Church that REALLY is visible and does exist during this crisis.

    I see a lot less activity on the forum lately and I'm afraid it is due to the large influx of Sedes who either kill or derail any intelligent non-Sede discussion of the crisis. This is why I  requested any Sede discussion limited to its own forum. Sedevacantist premises completely eviscerate the dialogue between non-Sedes. How can I have an intelligent discussion on anything the Pope did with someone who is working off the premise he is an evil usurper layman? We're not even on the same planet.


    Sedes are basically on the exact opposite end of the scale than the modernists on the whole crisis viewpoint. Arguing with the sedes on the subject of the crisis in the Church isn't as bad as doing so with the modernists because at least the sedes realize that there is a big problem. However, I agree that some sedes are only interested in debating on whether or not the Pope is really the Pope or not. I think we have much bigger issues to discuss than just that. I have respect for sedevacanism, but only basic sedevacanism. My opinion is that sedevacanism should start and stop at the fact that a person believes the Chair of Peter is vacant. What I don't have much respect for is extreme sedevacanism, which includes thinking the SSPX is so corrupt and twisted, thinking that numerous Popes were anti-popes when they were really good Popes, etc. I too would like to discuss something without the whole "Pope or anti-pope" argument coming up, but it's something you get used to after posting here a while. As far as this forum not being active, this place has actually been quite active the last week or so. As Matthew said, forum activity comes and goes just as it does with any forum. If CatholicInfo isn't active, it rarely ever-if ever-is due to the sedes.


    There you go again Stevus!
    You seem to know how to project the Sede mindset, but you are not a Sede!  Have you ever researched what Sedes truly believe?
    We   DO care what goes on in Holy Mother Church!  We just believe that Holy Mother Church is no longer represented by the Novus Ordo church of the beast!

    Where is Holy Mother the church today?  It is represented by true Catholic clergy and laypeople that believe ALL the truths which the  Church has always taught!
    What are Trad groups doing to restore the Church ? Basically, they are KEEPING the faith of our Fathers.  There is no dialogue with the Modernist Church

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    « Reply #43 on: November 30, 2010, 08:13:53 PM »
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  • All this railing at the sedes!  I have to say that the sedes on this forum, (or at least those whom I perceive to be sedes), don't bother me at all.  They seem to me to be as Catholic as anyone.  I would say that if forum input is down, it's the fault, not so much of the sedes, but of those who go on endlessly about them.  But then, I'm pretty new.  So we'll have to see.  I'll tell you one thing that may discourage participation:  It's those endlessly long posts that quote whole articles,  essays and books.  One scrolls down on these forum offerings until the mouse begins to smoke.  Make them shorter already!  No one's going to read all that stuff.

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    « Reply #44 on: November 30, 2010, 08:20:50 PM »
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