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« on: March 20, 2008, 12:03:44 AM »
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    • Has there ever been a discussion in this Forum of the Knights of Malta and whether the current SMOM is the same org.? Fr Wathen's book claims that they are not.
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    « Reply #1 on: March 30, 2008, 12:18:04 AM »
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    • No one else has read Fr. Wathen's book?  This is an important issue because Protestants accuse the current order of being  an occultic--masonic type sect that is a faction behind the v2 N(J)WO--which is probably true. The question is when did it become that.

    Czar Paul I is αssαssιnαtҽd in Mar 1801; he had been elected GM of Knights after they were expelled from Malta in 1798. How the Knights could have elected a schismatic as GM can only be ascribed to Revolutionary turmoil. Despite what New Advent says, it is my historical deduction that Paul VI did approve of Paul being elected but--and I believe that Fr. Wathen leaves this out-- a condition would have had to been that Paul( as a schismatic)reconcile the Russian Orthodox Church w/ Rome as spelled out in the Council of Florence. The Knights had historical autonomy but that only goes so far.

    After the death of 'Mad'(so called because he wanted Roman Authority recognised in Russia) Paul, his masonic son( who posseses - -w/ James I--the dubious distinction of co-operating w/ the anti-christ judaics in the murder of a saintly parent) was declard GM. But for there would have been an invincible Catholic Europe with Paul checking Napoleons Machaivellian tendencies. Alex I abandoned all plans for a Catholic Russia.

    This being to much to handle, Pius VII had to usurp control of the Order to prevent it falling into masonic hands. Even if there was no precedent for Papal autocracy over the order the time for extraordinary action as in the time of Philip and Boniface had come.


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    « Reply #2 on: March 30, 2008, 04:43:15 PM »
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    • It seems as if the above is not entirely correct. On pg 362 of v XL, Prof Pastor says the Pope's(Paul VI) cordial relations w/ Czar Paul were terminated after the latter accepted the leadership of the Knights of Malta. Apparently the desire of Paul to fully reconcile his nation to Rome had not happened yet(early 1799). The Pope had every right to reject the election of a non-Catholic.

    And Fr Wathen does say that Czar Paul desired a reunion w/ Rome, but apparently this was some time later.
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    « Reply #3 on: April 01, 2008, 05:21:13 PM »
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    • It is my historical judgement that the Papal Order of Malta(SMOM) is the legitimate Knights of St. John Of Jerusalem. Fr Wathen would disagree w/ this opinion, but if a schismatic such as Alex I was Grand Prior(Master) after the death of Czar Paul in 1801, Pius VII had every right to usurp control of the order.

    It seems as if Card Rampolla was elected Grand Prior of the order in 1896. http://www.fiu.edu/~mirandas/bios1887.htm#Rampolla
    Could this be the basis for the rumor that Card Rampolla was a 'secret occult mason and in the OTO'. Protestants have long been accusing the Knights of Malta as being a subversive occultic organisation(which it has to be admitted is true today in the v2 sect).

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    « Reply #4 on: February 02, 2009, 10:40:35 PM »
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    • In fairness to Alex I it has to be said that he also was murdered in 1824 when, like his father he realised that a reunion with Rome was the only way to save civilisation.

    Perhaps it is a bit much to accuse Alex of actual complicity in his fathers murder.
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    « Reply #5 on: December 11, 2012, 08:14:56 AM »
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    • True Knights of Saint John should support Malta Cattolicissima:

    http://pro-tridentina-malta.blogspot.com/2012/07/wikkimissa-but-not-in-malta.html

    Will the real Knights please stand up?
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