Author Topic: Knights of Columbus... (Read 2395 times)

s2srea · « **on:** May 09, 2011, 05:22:29 PM »

Thoughts?

herbert · « **Reply #1 on:** May 09, 2011, 05:35:39 PM »

i just read about them here: http://www.ask.com/wiki/Knights_of_Columbus

babe ruth being a member was a surprise

Oremus · « **Reply #2 on:** May 09, 2011, 06:06:39 PM »

I'm a member but I'm waiting for this time next year to get out. I made a commitment for them before realizing what they're about. Once my year is up, I'm out.

Is there something in particular you wanted to know?

s2srea · « **Reply #3 on:** May 09, 2011, 06:09:14 PM »

Sure- what are they really about ?

Oremus · « **Reply #4 on:** May 09, 2011, 06:30:12 PM »

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Sure- what are they really about ?

Well, it was started with great intentions. In 1882, a parish priest realized that his parishioners were regularly denied access to adequate employment and insurance because of anti-Catholic sentiment. This anti-sentiment was multiplied against immigrant Catholics. Do a Google search for anti-Catholic riots in America and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Over time, the K of C has become one of the three best insurance programs in the country. It annually receives the highest grades from Standard and Poors and A.M. Best. It also gives a bunch to charity and does a bunch of volunteer work.

My problem with the K of C is that it is all about V2. They LOVE V2 and they loved JPII. And the changes to the Mass has allowed them to take over the Mass, sometimes more than the most progressive NO parishes. By take over, I mean they will care more about their pageantry than the Mass itself.

I joined because I was a new Catholic and I wanted to grow in my faith. I thought having a fraternal Catholic organization would be just the thing I needed. But many of these guys don't have a clue about their faith and the K of C is just a big frat to them. I'm not trying to take away from all the men in the Order; some of them are very good men who do a lot. But the majority of the Order is, well, blah. I think Fr. McGiveny (the founder) would not be happy with the Order if he were alive today.

Like I said, committed to something and I believe in fulfilling my promises, so I will stick around for a year. After that, I'm gone.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #5 on:** May 09, 2011, 09:05:38 PM »

They have ties to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. I suggest not having anything to do with the Knights of Columbus.

That is surprising Babe Ruth was a member, though.

Oremus · « **Reply #6 on:** May 09, 2011, 09:46:45 PM »

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They have ties to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. I suggest not having anything to do with the Knights of Columbus.

That is surprising Babe Ruth was a member, though.

What makes you think they have ties to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ? I'm not trying to be sarcastic...if there's proof of this, I will break my commitment and leave them immediately.

Darcy · « **Reply #7 on:** May 09, 2011, 11:01:37 PM »

I grew up with the KofC.

They did do a lot of chairty work but they made money by selling alcohol and most of their halls had bars in them. Currently they are only church councils.
They did have ceremonies and wore special regalia.

This was the fifties and sixties when Catholics were huge.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #8 on:** May 10, 2011, 09:30:44 AM »

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They have ties to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. I suggest not having anything to do with the Knights of Columbus.

That is surprising Babe Ruth was a member, though.

What makes you think they have ties to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ? I'm not trying to be sarcastic...if there's proof of this, I will break my commitment and leave them immediately.

They're a bit secretive about their ties to it, but I have heard of several people who left because they saw Freemasonic items in their buildings. Even if they didn't have ties to it, I'd recommend leaving anyway because they are full of modernists.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 11, 2011, 10:52:39 AM »

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My problem with the K of C is that it is all about V2. They LOVE V2 and they loved JPII.

I don't think it's too much to assume, guessing by the name, that they have a strongly pro-American-in-all-things streak. Like the John Birch society I'm getting the impression that America is placed over and above the Catholic Church there, and that probably accounts for the whiff of Masonry. Vatican II, after all, is nothing but the Americanized Masonic anti-church. America has always followed the Masonic program, more or less unwittingly.

I know one member who became sede, he said his fellow Knights would not be amenable to his new ways at all.

Any Zionist influence there, pro-Israel sentiment? On the Internet I didn't find much that was grievously objectionable. The worst was a book review in one of their newsletters about Israel as a model business state. The article had lots of tea party rhetoric about how Israel is growing fast because it doesn't have governmental restrictions on business like the U.S. ( surely these people jest, where is the restriction on outsourcing jobs to Chinese slaves to make cheap Ipads and then marking them up to ridiculous levels back home? ). But it didn't sound religiously indifferent, it just sounded money-obsessed, like the writer saw everything through the lens of money and "progress." That is par for the course in America.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #10 on:** May 11, 2011, 11:33:37 AM »

From John Salza, former Mason and author of "Why Catholics Can't Be Masons".

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/feature-articles/FrTomSantaAndLiguorianMagazineSayCatholicsCanBeMasons.pdf

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...Regarding the Knights of Columbus, I took the three degrees but am no longer active because my council was
dominated by Masons. In fact, the Knights of Columbus tried to thwart the publication of my latest book on
Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, which tells me that Masons have infiltrated the Knights at the highest levels of the organization.
Thanks again, Laurence, for bringing this to my attention. May God bless you.

John Salza

Oremus · « **Reply #11 on:** May 11, 2011, 09:05:28 PM »

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From John Salza, former Mason and author of "Why Catholics Can't Be Masons".

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/feature-articles/FrTomSantaAndLiguorianMagazineSayCatholicsCanBeMasons.pdf

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...Regarding the Knights of Columbus, I took the three degrees but am no longer active because my council was
dominated by Masons. In fact, the Knights of Columbus tried to thwart the publication of my latest book on
Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, which tells me that Masons have infiltrated the Knights at the highest levels of the organization.
Thanks again, Laurence, for bringing this to my attention. May God bless you.

John Salza

Thanks for this. You reminded me that I have his book on my shelf. Maybe it's time I read it!

Darcy · « **Reply #12 on:** May 12, 2011, 11:56:52 AM »

Well I am not surprised. There were some adults who were opposed to KofC that I remember at the time but I was too young to have even known about the masons.