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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: MyrnaM on May 26, 2014, 09:36:32 AM
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JERUSALEM (AP) — Pope Francis on Monday urged his "brother" Muslims to never abuse God's name through violence as he opened the third and final day of his Mideast pilgrimage with a visit to the Dome of the Rock, the iconic shrine located at the third-holiest spot in Islam.
Francis took off his shoes to step into the gold-topped dome, which enshrines the rock where Muslims believe the Prophet Mohammad ascended to heaven.
The mosque complex, known to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary and to Jews as the Temple Mount, is at the heart of the territorial and religious disputes between Israel and its Arab neighbors.
Speaking to the grand mufti of Jerusalem and other Muslim authorities, Francis deviated from his prepared remarks to refer not just to his "dear friends" but "dear brothers."
"May we respect and love one another as brothers and sisters," he said, and added, "May we learn to understand the suffering of others! May no one abuse the name of God through violence!"
After the brief visit, Francis headed to the Western Wall, the only remains of the biblical Second Temple and the holiest place where Jews can pray.
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-calls-muslims-brothers-dome-rock-061917919.html
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ROME (Reuters) - Pope Francis on Monday said he believed that Roman Catholic priests should be celibate but the rule was not an unchangeable dogma, and "the door is always open" to change.
Pope Francis says papal retirements could become normal in Church Reuters
Women in love with priests ask pope to make celibacy optional Reuters
Pope Francis wants Catholics to doubt the Church. He's right. The Week (RSS)
Pope to hold first meeting with sɛҳuąƖ abuse victims Reuters
Pope says 'no privileges' for bishops on abuse AFP
Francis made similar comments when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires but his remarks to reporters on a plane returning from a Middle East trip were the first he has made since becoming pope.
"Celibacy is not a dogma," he said in answer to a question about whether the Catholic Church could some day allow priests to marry as they can in some other Christian Churches.
"It is a rule of life that I appreciate very much and I think it is a gift for the Church but since it is not a dogma, the door is always open," he said.
The Church teaches that a priest should dedicate himself totally to his vocation, essentially taking the Church as his spouse, in order to help fulfill its mission.
However while priestly celibacy is a tradition going back around 1,000 years, it is not considered dogma, or an unchangeable piece of Church teaching.
There has been pressure for change, particularly in the wake of recent sɛҳuąƖ abuse scandals with proponents of optional celibacy in the Church arguing that sɛҳuąƖ frustrations could drive some priests to sɛҳuąƖly abuse children.
But the Church has rejected this argument, saying that paedophilia, whether in the Church or outside of it, is carried out by people with psychological problems.
Priests are allowed to marry in the Anglican and other Protestant churches as well as in the Orthodox Church.
(Reporting by Philip Pullella; Editing by Eric Walsh)
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-says-favors-celibacy-priests-door-open-change-004738592.html
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Here in the Houston School District, muslim girls and women are
allowed to wear berthas, but you as a Christian do not dare be
caught with wearing a cross, and any other Christian symbols.
The secular humanists are in charge here, not the original
southern Baptists.
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Perhaps Francis IS the "chief rabbi."
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Francis disgusts me. He denies Our Lord openly and collaborates with the enemies of the Faith. I will NEVER submit to his supposed authority.
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Here in the Houston School District, muslim girls and women are
allowed to wear berthas, but you as a Christian do not dare be
caught with wearing a cross, and any other Christian symbols.
The secular humanists are in charge here, not the original
southern Baptists.
It might be a good protest for a group of students to make a pint of wearing a crucifix around their necks.
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Perhaps Francis IS the "chief rabbi."
The word rabbi means teacher. I am glad to see that you recognize the Pope as the chief teacher for the Catholic Church.
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Francis disgusts me. He denies Our Lord openly and collaborates with the enemies of the Faith. I will NEVER submit to his supposed authority.
What a shame. And right after you referred to him as your chief rabbi.
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Francis disgusts me. He denies Our Lord openly and collaborates with the enemies of the Faith. I will NEVER submit to his supposed authority.
What a shame. And right after you referred to him as your chief rabbi.
Well poche, we can always count on you to come and remind us of the feel-good novus ordo line. Would any sede-friendly, SSPX Resistance board be complete without at least one poche ?
Keep on keeping things conciliar my man.
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What side "yahoo news" are on? Surely, not the Church's. This is ʝʊdɛօ -Masonic owned and controlled media. The agenda is clear: undermine the exclusivity of the Catholic Church by establishing a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr in which all religions are equal. As a loyal Catholic, one may be offended with such news; but for the world, is exactly want they want to see.
Dedicate advocates of Modernism exercise complete power over the channels of Catholic information and communications.
It is naive to come to definitive conclusions solely based on the biased and unreliable information that the enemies of the Church themselves propagate among the many.
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Perhaps Francis IS the "chief rabbi."
The word rabbi means teacher. I am glad to see that you recognize the Pope as the chief teacher for the Catholic Church.
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I expect nothing less from you, poche. I consider Bergoglio nothing but the chief heresiarch, a total moron walking around pretending to have the authority of Christ Himself. And yes, I do consider the Pope the chief teacher of the Faithful; Bergoglio doesn't qualify.
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I wonder during this interview below, if Francis ever mentioned anything about offending God or sin in general. Just curious!
Pope Francis gave a candid midair press briefing to reporters traveling from back from the Middle East to Rome during which he talked about sex, money, and satanic Mass—and retirement.
After a grueling but ultimately successful three day visit to one of the most complicated regions on the planet, the idea of retirement probably sounded pretty good to Francis. So it is no surprise that when reporters traveling with him on the papal plane asked if he would consider resigning like his predecessor Pope Benedict XVI, he said he wouldn’t rule it out.
“I will do what the Lord tells me to do. Pray and try to follow God’s will. Benedict XVI no longer had the strength and honestly, as a man of faith, humble as he is, he took this decision,” Francis said, according to a transcript of his press conference published in La Stampa’s Vatican Insider. “Seventy years ago, popes emeritus didn’t exist. What will happen with popes emeritus? We need to look at Benedict XVI as an institution, he opened a door, that of the popes emeritus. The door is open, whether there will be others, only God knows. I believe that if a bishop of Rome feels he is losing his strength, he must ask himself the same questions Pope Benedict XVI did.”
He said nothing as startling as his last midair press conference last July when he said “Who am I to judge?” when it came to gαys in the priesthood. Francis did announce that, at least going forward, the Vatican now had a “zero tolerance” approach to the priest sex-abuse scandal. He also told reporters that three bishops are currently under investigation for their roles in the ongoing scandal but stopped short of revealing whether they were under investigation for the cover-up or actual sɛҳuąƖ abuse. “In Argentina we call those who receive preferential treatment ‘daddy’s boys,’ he said. “There will be no ‘daddy’s boys’ in this case. It is a very serious problem.”
Francis added that in the coming months he would hold a Mass and meet with half a dozen victims, reportedly, according to the Boston Globe, from the United Kingdom, Germany, and Ireland.
The pope went on to explain that when a priest sɛҳuąƖly abuses a child, he not only betrays that child, but he also betrays the Church as a whole. “A priest must guide children towards sainthood. And the child trusts him. But instead, he abuses him or her. This is very serious,” he said. “It’s like celebrating a black Mass. Instead of steering him or her towards the sainthood you create a problem that will stay with him or her for all of his or her life.”
By the time the pope and the press landed, however, survivor groups had already discounted the pope’s promise as one more public relations move. “Again, we should all be crystal clear: none of this changes anything,” said Joelle Casteis, the western regional director of the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests known as SNAP. “It’s not intended to. It’s intended to promote complacency, and complacency is the enemy of reform. It’s intended to mollify the faithful, not safeguard the vulnerable.”
Casteis says that Francis will be the third pope after Benedict and John Paul II, to meet with victims. “Ask yourself: can you cite a single positive outcome of any of these meetings? We can’t.”
The pope also talked about the ongoing issue of financial reform of the Vatican’s once-corrupt financial entities. In what was perhaps the most surprising revelation of his remarks, he confirmed rumors swirling around Rome that the Holy See’s former secretary of state Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone is indeed being investigated for a discrepancy of around $20 million (€15 million) that somehow made it from the Vatican Bank (known as the Institute for the Works of Religion) to a private television company called Lux Vide under his watch as Benedict’s number two.
“The Lord Jesus once told his disciples: scandals are inevitable, we are humans and all of us are sinners… Economic administration requires honesty and transparency,” the pope said, according to reporters on the plane. “I would like to say one thing: the question regarding the €15 million is still being looked into; it is not yet clear what happened.”
The pope also took a question about priest celibacy after 26 women dating priests wrote him a letter essentially asking him for permission to sleep with their priest boyfriends.
“The Catholic Church has married priests in the Eastern rites,” he conceded. “Celibacy is not a dogma of faith, it is a rule of life that I appreciate a great deal and I believe it is a gift for the Church. The door is always open given that it is not a dogma of faith.”
Less than 12 hours after he landed, the pope was already on the move again, making a surprise visit to the Basilica of Saint Mary Major in Rome on Tuesday morning to pray to the Virgin Mary after his trip. And he won’t get much rest before his next big event. On June 1, he will preside over a massive open-air Catholic Charismatic Renewal celebration at Rome’s Olympic Stadium in front of a crowd expected to top 50,000. In August he will travel to South Korea. With such a busy schedule, no one can blame the 77-year-old leader of the world’s 1 billion Catholics for at least thinking about retirement from time to time.
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-says-might-retire-094500239--politics.html
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Always something new:
http://tinyurl.com/lp2wgzw
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Jergo M. Bergoglio claimed Vicar says not to judge. St. Jerome observes, Christ does not altogether forbid judging, but directs us how to judge. ,,,,
Barefaced vice and notorious sinners should be condemned and reprobated by all. (Haydock)
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Besides, admonishing the sinner is one of the seven spiritual works of mercy...
http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/#.U6oQzlIg_94
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Poche,
By hiding the pectoral cross in a pocket, what message is Pope Francis telling us?
Is the pope saying that getting Lang with those who deny Our Lord is more important than devotion to Our Lord?
Ok, so maybe Pope Francis was just trying to be "neutral". However, the other men are leaders of false religions and are Christ-deniers so these meetings are a good chance for Pope Francis to tell them to renounce their false beliefs and convert because the Church will receive them with open arms. However, Pope Francis chose instead to hide the cross and he gave the very clear impression that These false religions are, at the very least, equal to Catholicism.
Was the purpose of this interfaith meeting merely a public relations event?
Those souls ensnared in the false religions of Islam and Judaism desperately need to be released from the putrid trap in which they are entangled. Sadly, and bewilderingly, Pope Francis instead chose to hide his cross.
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Jergo M. Bergoglio claimed Vicar says not to judge. St. Jerome observes, Christ does not altogether forbid judging, but directs us how to judge. ,,,,
Barefaced vice and notorious sinners should be condemned and reprobated by all. (Haydock)
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Besides, admonishing the sinner is one of the seven spiritual works of mercy...
http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/#.U6oQzlIg_94
Exactly, when the sinner wanders into the church in goodwill it is best not to crush the bruised reed or to put out the flickering wick. Judgement is for those who are obstinate in their sin.
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Poche,
By hiding the pectoral cross in a pocket, what message is Pope Francis telling us?
Is the pope saying that getting Lang with those who deny Our Lord is more important than devotion to Our Lord?
Ok, so maybe Pope Francis was just trying to be "neutral". However, the other men are leaders of false religions and are Christ-deniers so these meetings are a good chance for Pope Francis to tell them to renounce their false beliefs and convert because the Church will receive them with open arms. However, Pope Francis chose instead to hide the cross and he gave the very clear impression that These false religions are, at the very least, equal to Catholicism.
Was the purpose of this interfaith meeting merely a public relations event?
Those souls ensnared in the false religions of Islam and Judaism desperately need to be released from the putrid trap in which they are entangled. Sadly, and bewilderingly, Pope Francis instead chose to hide his cross.
The Pope is trying to appeal to weveryone. Sometimes we have to behave the behaviour of a Christian. Living the life of a Christian is more important the ornaments that we wear.
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Poche,
By hiding the pectoral cross in a pocket, what message is Pope Francis telling us?
Is the pope saying that getting Lang with those who deny Our Lord is more important than devotion to Our Lord?
Ok, so maybe Pope Francis was just trying to be "neutral". However, the other men are leaders of false religions and are Christ-deniers so these meetings are a good chance for Pope Francis to tell them to renounce their false beliefs and convert because the Church will receive them with open arms. However, Pope Francis chose instead to hide the cross and he gave the very clear impression that These false religions are, at the very least, equal to Catholicism.
Was the purpose of this interfaith meeting merely a public relations event?
Those souls ensnared in the false religions of Islam and Judaism desperately need to be released from the putrid trap in which they are entangled. Sadly, and bewilderingly, Pope Francis instead chose to hide his cross.
The Pope is trying to appeal to weveryone. Sometimes we have to behave the behaviour of a Christian. Living the life of a Christian is more important the ornaments that we wear.
ORNAMENTS?
Well, maybe your humble pope will change tradition (again) and stop wearing his "ornament" for good. I mean, it's just an ornament.
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Sadly, and bewilderingly, Pope Francis instead chose to hide his cross.
And deny Christ.
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Think about it...! a POPE, Vicar of Christ, (in your opinion), here you see a "True Pope" actually hiding the symbol of his belief, what kind of example is that anyway. That act alone should tell all of you people who hang his picture in your churches and think of him as a pope, you should be shaking in your boots right now.
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Think about it...! a POPE, Vicar of Christ, (in your opinion), here you see a "True Pope" actually hiding the symbol of his belief, what kind of example is that anyway. That act alone should tell all of you people who hang his picture in your churches and think of him as a pope, you should be shaking in your boots right now.
Oh stop overreacting Myrna! Francis is appealing to everyone! He's everybody's buddy. Except those of us who have got his number, of course.
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Think about it...! a POPE, Vicar of Christ, (in your opinion), here you see a "True Pope" actually hiding the symbol of his belief, what kind of example is that anyway. That act alone should tell all of you people who hang his picture in your churches and think of him as a pope, you should be shaking in your boots right now.
Oh stop overreacting Myrna! Francis is appealing to everyone! He's everybody's buddy. Except those of us who have got his number, of course.
The number that comes to my mind is 666.
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Think about it...! a POPE, Vicar of Christ, (in your opinion), here you see a "True Pope" actually hiding the symbol of his belief, what kind of example is that anyway. That act alone should tell all of you people who hang his picture in your churches and think of him as a pope, you should be shaking in your boots right now.
Oh stop overreacting Myrna! Francis is appealing to everyone! He's everybody's buddy. Except those of us who have got his number, of course.
I agree, the "pope" who fits all sizes.
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Poche,
By hiding the pectoral cross in a pocket, what message is Pope Francis telling us?
Is the pope saying that getting Lang with those who deny Our Lord is more important than devotion to Our Lord?
Ok, so maybe Pope Francis was just trying to be "neutral". However, the other men are leaders of false religions and are Christ-deniers so these meetings are a good chance for Pope Francis to tell them to renounce their false beliefs and convert because the Church will receive them with open arms. However, Pope Francis chose instead to hide the cross and he gave the very clear impression that These false religions are, at the very least, equal to Catholicism.
Was the purpose of this interfaith meeting merely a public relations event?
Those souls ensnared in the false religions of Islam and Judaism desperately need to be released from the putrid trap in which they are entangled. Sadly, and bewilderingly, Pope Francis instead chose to hide his cross.
The Pope is trying to appeal to weveryone. Sometimes we have to behave the behaviour of a Christian. Living the life of a Christian is more important the ornaments that we wear.
Poche,
Are you saying that a "Christian" should be ashamed of the Cross?
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Poche,
By hiding the pectoral cross in a pocket, what message is Pope Francis telling us?
Is the pope saying that getting Lang with those who deny Our Lord is more important than devotion to Our Lord?
Ok, so maybe Pope Francis was just trying to be "neutral". However, the other men are leaders of false religions and are Christ-deniers so these meetings are a good chance for Pope Francis to tell them to renounce their false beliefs and convert because the Church will receive them with open arms. However, Pope Francis chose instead to hide the cross and he gave the very clear impression that These false religions are, at the very least, equal to Catholicism.
Was the purpose of this interfaith meeting merely a public relations event?
Those souls ensnared in the false religions of Islam and Judaism desperately need to be released from the putrid trap in which they are entangled. Sadly, and bewilderingly, Pope Francis instead chose to hide his cross.
The Pope is trying to appeal to weveryone. Sometimes we have to behave the behaviour of a Christian. Living the life of a Christian is more important the ornaments that we wear.
What a ridiculous statement. If you hide the Cross and perform good works, then you are not earning praise for Jesus Christ, but for yourself alone.
That is why so many Christ deniers like Protestants, fallen away Catholics, and Jews, say they love Pope Francis, but it does not lead to conversion and love of Jesus Christ. They say they love Pope Francis and yet they remain Protestants, fallen away Catholics, and Jews.
When you perform good works yet hide the fact that you are Christian you are only earning praise for yourself and not Jesus Christ. It is the opposite of humility.
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Poche,
The Pope should be nice to everyone but how nice is a guy who knows that someone who is following a false religion and is damning his soul by doing so then quietly allows him to continue in this path of damnation? Now, if the Pope does tell them that they must convert, and they tell him to shove off, then that's their problem.
By remaining quiet, and hiding the cross, the Pope is, by default, granting that other faiths are means of salvation.
And a person can act like a Christian without having to hide the cross. I don't think Our Lord wants the successor of St. Peter to act like he is ashamed of Our Lord before men. I think, if my memory is correct, Our Lord had a warning directed toward those men who deny Him before men.
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Poche,
By hiding the pectoral cross in a pocket, what message is Pope Francis telling us?
Is the pope saying that getting Lang with those who deny Our Lord is more important than devotion to Our Lord?
Ok, so maybe Pope Francis was just trying to be "neutral". However, the other men are leaders of false religions and are Christ-deniers so these meetings are a good chance for Pope Francis to tell them to renounce their false beliefs and convert because the Church will receive them with open arms. However, Pope Francis chose instead to hide the cross and he gave the very clear impression that These false religions are, at the very least, equal to Catholicism.
Was the purpose of this interfaith meeting merely a public relations event?
Those souls ensnared in the false religions of Islam and Judaism desperately need to be released from the putrid trap in which they are entangled. Sadly, and bewilderingly, Pope Francis instead chose to hide his cross.
The Pope is trying to appeal to weveryone. Sometimes we have to behave the behaviour of a Christian. Living the life of a Christian is more important the ornaments that we wear.
ORNAMENTS?
Well, maybe your humble pope will change tradition (again) and stop wearing his "ornament" for good. I mean, it's just an ornament.
And maybe he'll stop wearing a white cassock. That's racist!
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Pope Francis continued his series of Wednesday general audiences on the Church and emphasized that belonging to the Church is essential to being a Christian.
“We are Christians because we belong to the Church," Pope Francis said. “It’s like a last name: if the first name is ‘I am a Christian,’ the last name is ‘I belong to the Church.’”
“No one becomes a Christian by himself,” the Pope continued, as he explained that Christians receive their faith in baptism and through catechesis. He asked those assembled in St. Peter’s Square to recall the faces of parents, grandparents, priests, nuns, and others who taught them the sign of the cross, prayers, and the content of the faith. “I always remember the face of the nun who taught me catechism,” he said, as he called the Church “a large family.”
“There are those who believe you can have a personal, direct, immediate relationship with Jesus Christ outside of the communion and the mediation of the Church,” he continued. “These are dangerous and harmful temptations.”
The Pope concluded by asking the Virgin Mary to pray “the grace never to fall into the temptation” of thinking that we do not need the Church. “On the contrary, you cannot love God without loving the brothers, you cannot love God outside of the Church; you cannot be in communion with God without being in the Church.”
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=21814
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Think about it...! a POPE, Vicar of Christ, (in your opinion), here you see a "True Pope" actually hiding the symbol of his belief, what kind of example is that anyway. That act alone should tell all of you people who hang his picture in your churches and think of him as a pope, you should be shaking in your boots right now.
Oh stop overreacting Myrna! Francis is appealing to everyone! He's everybody's buddy. Except those of us who have got his number, of course.
The number that comes to my mind is 666.
If 666 is evil, then is 25.806976 the root of evil?
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Two of Rome’s most influential Vatican-watching journalists have recently offered different perspectives on how Pope Francis has changed Vatican diplomacy.
Andrea Tornielli of La Stampa observes that when this Pope has traveled abroad, the destinations that he has chosen indicate his priorities: “attention to the outskirts, closeness with the more difficult situations even when they disappear from the radar of international attention.” Apart from his visit to Rio de Janeiro for World Youth Day, Pope Francis has not chosen glamorous cities for his trips.
Within Italy, the Pope has opted for visits to regions hard-pressed by natural disaster, criminal influence, and the flood of immigration: Sardinia, Calabria, and Lampedusa. His next trip within Europe will take him to Albania, a country rarely mentioned in the international headlines. His schedule now includes two trips to Asia, where he will visit South Korea, Sri Lanka, and the Philippines.
These are not the sort of destinations that would be chosen by a globe-trotting politician, a man hoping to gain international influence. Pope Francis has not headed for the centers of power; he has chosen cities in countries that need publicity, rather than those that ensure publicity.
In other words, Pope Francis is not trying to use his foreign trips to enhance the international influence of the Holy See. Rather, he is trying to use his travel to draw attention to the world’s problem areas, to rouse public interest, to mobilize the world’s people into action to solve pressing problems that have not been adequately addressed. In a real sense he has engaged in apostolate rather than foreign policy.
When he does enter into situations fraught with political significance, Pope Francis “replaces negotiation with prayer,” says the other Vatican-watcher, Sandro Magister of L’Espresso. Magister, characterizing the Pope’s approach as the Diplomacy of the Impossible, points out that during his trip to the Holy Land, Pope Francis made his greatest impact by two unexpected gestures: stopping to pray at the “security wall” that divides Palestinian communities, and inviting the presidents of Israel and Palestine to pray together at the Vatican.
Each of these gestures was dramatic, Magister observes. Each caught observers by surprise. And each was a call to conscience rather than to political analysis. The Pope relied on simple gestures rather than on carefully crafted policy statements.
Indeed, when the Israeli and Palestinian leaders did come to Rome, Magister notes that the Pope organized the afternoon’s events without the help of the Vatican’s seasoned diplomats. The man at the Pope’s side during the ceremonies was Father Pierbattista Pizzaballa, the head of the Franciscan Custody of the Holy Land, rather than the Secretary of State.
This does not mean that Pope Francis ignores the value of diplomacy, Magister argues. The Pope’s unusual approach is an attempt to touch minds and hearts directly. But he is capable of using more conventional diplomatic means as well.
For example, Magister reports, shortly after Miriam Ibrahim was sentenced to death in Sudan, the Pope met with that country’s ambassador to the Holy See. There was no public statement about that meeting, either at the time it took place or subsequently. In fact the Vatican has been quite silent on the matter. Apparently the Pope believes that whatever moral pressure he can put on the Sudanese government by quiet contact will be more effective than another public denunciation.
http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otn.cfm?id=1041