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Well, speaking of unanswered questions, John can thank me by answering this:

Quote from: Hobbledehoy at the Four Marks November Article thread

Quote from: Lover of Truth

IF WHAT TOM WROTE IS TRUE WHO WOULDN'T BE?  THIS PERTAINS TO THE SOULS OF SEMINARIANS AND SOULS OF THEIR POTENTIAL FLOCK, ESPECIALLY IF THEY LOST THEIR VOCATION AS A RESULT.

Really!? Well, let's see...

Then why haven't you condemned Jim Gebel, Sr., for his libelous slander against these same Seminarians:

http://thelaypulpit.blogspot.com/2012/01/retracting-support-for-paul-petko.html

Why haven't you condemned Petko for his campaign against the Seminarians?

Why haven't you condemned Craig Toth for quitting the Seminary faculty only to conspire against St. Albert's, and therefore jeopardizing the futures of these same young men?

He was only using them as pawns for this:

http://materdeicmriwatch.blogspot.com/

All to lead up to this:

http://pistrinaliturgica.blogspot.com/2012/03/top-reasons-for-lay-governance-5.html

All you had to answer to my posts pertaining to this mess have been meaningless or irrelevant questions, some posted with sock puppet accounts.

Beware of the fires of Gehenna...

For someone who is all about "charity," John has been quite remiss in rebuking the foul blogs and their authors who still continue their campaign against the Seminarians. Even when everything's over, and SAG has moved on, Jim, Janet and Craig are still harping on these matters.  

So why hasn't John rebuked these individuals publicly just as he has attacked others in the past, if he is yearning for unity and peace in the "traditional movement"...?

Especially why not rebuke the Watcher at The Lay Pulpit who excoriated his good friend Tom?  

There are more than a few people sinning by silence about those hate sites.  Many of them are rarely silent about such matters, so the hypocrisy is evident.

I would think that the sources of disunity and those who profit by the chaos should be pretty obvious by now.  It's not the Novus Ordo.  

The fact is, traditional Catholics are capable of pure evil just like anyone else.  Fifty years ago all Catholics were traditional and they dragged themselves and others to Hell in spite of having a pope, the sacraments and unity.







 

It seems I am woefully misunderstood and misjudged.  I'll defend myself here once and move one.  The above blogs have never really been on my radar.  I got a PM from someone saying there is speculation that I'm bought and in league with those people.  This is unreal.  Aren't some or all of those guys against Father Ramollo who I defended at the loss of my credibility and who I will still defend to this day?

Hobbles I accused you of lacking charity in your dealings with me.  Do you confirm or deny this assertion?  Or do you just try to get out of it by saying "well you are uncharitable too" thinking I have to police sites that are insignificant and run by people I do not know.  I see a huge hatred among them.

Not unlike this site, where you get thumbs up because your hobbles and thumbs down if  you disagree with him even when people have not even read or understood what was written in disagreement.  

I candidly admitted that I have agreed with Hobbles on the issue of jurisdiction and that now I am not sure with all the evidence Griff has presented from Van Noort.  I raised several objections in the hopes Hobbles would deign me worthy to speak to rather than disparagingly castigate.

The hatred on this site is enormous.  And people that do not know anything about the topic or the people spoken of chime in like they are experts.  Unreal, and these are the good Catholics?

Let us see if Hobbles can be a standup guy and be real and answer my questions or is his preconceived notions about me going to lead him to continue to be hateful and uncharitable towards me?

Why do you tell me you ignore me and while at the same time read my posts?  Seems rather duplicitous to me, unless you are trying to make me feel bad because you think I am a bad guy?  I don't think you will need to read too many books to figure that one out.  Can you respond to the charge in a charitable way Hobbles?  

I also ask the following, once again giving you one last chance to be a stand-up guy.

Has there never been a Bishop consecrated before V"2" during an interregnum?

Were any such consecrators condemned for doing so?

Were any bishops consecrated during the GWS by bishops not mandated to do so by a valid Pope?  Were any of those consecrators condemned for not doing so?

Is it indeed possible that no pre-V"2" theologians thought we would see the times we are in and that such times would last for this long and therefore that they would not have taught what would happen in such a situation regarding whether supplied jurisdiction would be full for the sake of unity and the common good?

Do you admit that it is possible that even you could be wrong, failing to understand or notice an obscure but important distinction in the jurisdiction issue when all things are taken under consideration or that perhaps maybe you have not taken all things under consideration and properly applied them?

I do this sinking down to your apparent level one last time though doing so gives me a migraine headache.  I held you in esteem even as I started this thread and first responded to you.  I came as one admitting I am not sure on what to think on the issue and you respond with hate, again, I ignored your first tirade, some months ago, thinking your emotions got the best of you.

It seems they have gotten to you again, surprising coming from such a well-read individual who tries to live a Catholic life.

Elizabeth obviously has preconceived notions about me as well.  I'm in cahoots with the guys that I do not even know I guess.  Since I did not condemn them publically.  I defend the real people like Kathleen Plumb, in 2009 when she was being castigated by Dolan and Cekeda, Tom Droleskey, Father Ramolla and Griff Ruby.  I have defended them all at my peril.  And even now while I am defending Griff against charges of writing "silly" things I am accused of "attacking" him.

Unreal.  Truth is stranger than fiction.  You cannot make this stuff up.  It is sad when people you hold in high esteem, like hobbles, let you down.  Repeatedly.

And don't apologize or admit they were wrong or may have been wrong.

I know very well how Jesus felt when He was misjudged, misunderstood and castigated even when He was understood simply because people did not like Him.  Thank you Jesus for letting me share in your misery at the hands of those who claim to be Your followers.

Thanks for not responding to my private explanation to you as well Elizabeth which I took a lot of time to put together because I thought you would appreciate it, I do not just confide in anyone.  Oh well.  At least I know why I am the bad guy.  Because I do not publically condemn those hateful people I do not know or really care about.  And because I am considered in league with those who sought to destroy Father Ramolla who I think is one of the better priests we have and because I "attacked" Griff as I was defending him.  At least I can take consolation in the fact that the reasons why people hate me and relish the opportunity to be uncharitable and ignore me when they are not ignoring me are for false reasons.  Sorry for any grammatical errors Hobbles.

Just to clarify, one more time, Hobbles implied Griff thinks that only SVs are in the true Church when he actually includes some indult/moto people in that group.  I mentioned what hobbles claimed, was quite incorrect, stating that among some SVs he goes too far in the other direction.  Perhaps this was my attack.  I am not one of those "some" SVs.

Perhaps, if people read and understand what I have written, they can try to attack me for a legitimate reason.  If they feel charity would have them do so.

AMDG,
Lover of Truth

Just to clarify, one more time, Hobbles implied Griff thinks that only SVs are in the true Church when he actually includes some indult/moto people in that group.  I mentioned what hobbles claimed, was quite incorrect, stating that among some SVs he goes too far in the other direction.  Perhaps this was my attack.  I am not one of those "some" SVs.

Should read:

Just to clarify, one more time, Hobbles implied Griff thinks that only SVs are in the true Church when Griff actually includes some indult/moto people in that group.  I mentioned what hobbles claimed, was quite incorrect, stating that among some SVs Griff goes too far in the other direction.  Perhaps this was my "attack".  I am not one of those "some" SVs.