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"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson


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"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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  • Veri Catholici‏ 
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    If Chris Ferrara thinks, as he openly opines in his latest Fatima Center editorial, that there have been endless arguments over the validity of Benedict's resignation, he is very ill informed, since the side pro validity has engaged only in name calling and gratuitous assertions


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    Wheres as the side against the validity has expounded in great detail the philosophical, theological, moral, forensic and above all canonical reasons that indubitably show that the resignation never took place in valid form.

    https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1097486287848816640
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson


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    #ppbxvi There is no Catholic position in any controversy, but that which is in harmony with and derived from the Natural, Moral, Divine and Evangelical Law: Canon 332 §2, says that a Pope resigns when he resigns his munus, not his ministerium, freely and publicly. B16 never did.


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    Those who contradict this and who urge you to ignore this fact, are advocates of the Devil, who was a Lawbreaker from the beginning. Cardinals who are clueless about these things, who elected Bergoglio in defiance of them, are thus certainly NOT sound judges of the matter.

    https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1098128099621986304
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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  • Have you all seen this? This came out on TIA recently, and it seems Veri Catholici is giving them some serious flack for it.
    https://traditioninaction.org/religious/i043_Hyprocrisy.htm


    Saving Benedict XVI - 
    Schizophrenia or Hypocrisy?
    Fr. Paul Alvarez Norton
    In the Gospel of Luke we read that Christ told the crowds: "When you see a cloud rising from the West, presently you say: A shower is coming: and so it happeneth: And when ye see the south wind blow, you say: There will be heat: and it cometh to pass. You hypocrites, you know how to discern the face of the heaven and of the earth: but how is it that you do not discern this time?" (Lk 12: 54) 

    Perhaps, there is no warning from Our Lord that it is more appropriate for the time in which we live today. 

    For years now, and especially since the current phase of the calamitous project of the destruction of the Faith that moved to high speed with Pope Francis’ reign, many priests and laymen react surprised and scandalized over the buffoon we see sitting on the cathedra of St. Peter.


    Benedict praises the United Nations in a speech later, Francis follows suit. No break, but continuity...
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    If I were to speak of surprise, I would like to say that the surprise is mine and also of many others like me who for years have been fighting Progressivism, this neo-modernism that managed to reach the highest places in the Hierarchy of the Church. "Felix qui pout rerum cognoscere cause" said Virgil (Fortunate is he who was able to know the causes of things). 

    This surprise is due, today more than ever, to the emergence of absurd theories that claim to show that there is a radical break between Francis and the other Popes of the post-Vatican II Council, to the point of supposing that Francis would not be Pope. 

    So, today I want to expound, on the one hand, on the almost delusional incoherence of this position and, on the other, on the danger there is in abandoning oneself to the guidance of those who, based on extravagant and arbitrary whims, claim to uphold superficially (or at times through a merely emotional fanaticism) a movement without its feet set in reality, like the ones who hate Francis (the consequence), but have nostalgia for Benedict (one of the causes of Francis' election). 

    The words of Benedict himself 

    Those who support such nonsense not only seem to act as schizophrenics, but are also publicly denied by Benedict himself who has repeatedly stated that his resignation has been well-deliberated and definitive.


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    A deliberate decision to resign: 'If anyone had tried to blackmail me, I would not have gone'
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    In his book on his conversations with Benedict XVI titled Last Testament: In His Own Words,Peter Seewald reproduces the words of Benedict XVI regarding his resignation. He explains that Benedict's central statement is this: “But no one has tried to blackmail me. If that had been attempted I would not have gone since you are not permitted to leave because you're under pressure." (London, Bloomsbury, p. 72) 

    Benedict XVI cannot be clearer when he says that: "So I wrote the text of the resignation, I cannot say with precision when, but at the most 14 days beforehand. I wrote it in Latin because i something so important you do in Latin." (Ibid., pp. 60-61) 

    He adds: "A weak point is perhaps my lack of clear, purposeful governance and the decision that have to be made there.,. So, practical governance is not my forte, and there, I would say, is a certain weakness." (Ibid., pp. 255-256). 

    Furthermore, in a letter addressed to the Secretariat of the Prefect for Communication, Msgr. Dário Edoardo Viganò, which he writes on the occasion of the presentation of the Collection, The Theology of Pope Francis, Benedict XVI says that there is an "internal continuity" between his pontificate and that of Francis.


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    Always praise and warmth for Francis and his 'mercy'
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    His words are: "I welcome this initiative which intends to oppose and react to the foolish prejudice according to which Pope Francis would be only a practical man deprived of particular theological or philosophical formation, whereas I was only a theoretician of theology who understood little of the concrete life of a Christian today." 

    And he adds: "These small volumes rightly show that Pope Francis is a man of profound philosophical and theological formation and, therefore, help us to see the interior continuity between the two pontificates, although with all the differences of style and temperament." 

    Furthermore, on June 28, 2016, on the anniversary of the 65th priestly ordination of Benedict, a ceremony was held in Clementine Hall, where Pope Francis was also present. In his brief final greeting, Benedict XVI speaks again of mercy: "Thanks above all to you, Holy Father! Your kindness, from the first moment of the election, in each moment of my life here, really moves me inside." 


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    Francis follows Benedict's footsteps and prays with an iman at a mosque in Turkey
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    He continues: "More than in the Vatican Gardens, with their beauty, your kindness is the place where I live: I feel protected. Thanks also to the word of thanks, of everything. We hope that you can go forward with all of us on this path of divine mercy, showing us the path of Jesus towards Jesus, towards God." 

    Finally, the letters of Benedict XVI to Cardinal Brandmüller - which have recently been published - absolutely destroy any dream of those Ratzingherians who pretend that he is still the Pope. In the first letter of November 9, 2017, Benedict XVI states as clearly as possible that only Francis is the Pope. 

    His words to the Cardinal are these: "As Pope Emeritus, I tried to create a situation in which I was absolutely inaccessible to the mass media and in which it was fully clear that there is only one Pope." 

    We see that the Ratzingherians try to show that the resignation of Benedict XVI is invalid are baseless. The arguments put forward do not proceed. However, those "arguments," despite their variety, lead to a single result: Benedict XVI is still Pope and, so, Francis is not a true Pope. 

    Self-delusional attempts to justify 'Pope Benedict' 

    This speaks volumes about the real reason for these attempts: It is not so important to understand how things are, but rather what end they want to reach, which is to state that Francis is not a true Pope - in one way or another. 

    So, with the clarification of the words of Benedict XVI himself declaring that he is not Pope and that the pontificate of Francis is in continuity with the preceding ones, what are we left to think? I believe that there are only two things we can think:


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    Clear continuity among the Vatican II Popes
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    1. Those who say Benedict is Pope are in a state of trauma because they cannot sincerely admit that Francis is an extension of Benedict. This would be something like a kind of spiritual schizophrenia that prevents them from reconciling cause and effect because they will not accept that Benedict has abandoned them. 

    2. Or, those who promote this theory are hypocritical scoundrels who simply want to take advantage, confuse people and, through this confusion, constitute themselves as an infallible criterion for determining who is and who is not the Pope. 

    If we give these people the benefit of the doubt and consider that they are innocent, then, they do what they do out of ignorance or from the painful disappointment they possibly have upon learning that "Saint Benedict" is an example far from what holiness is.


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    Benedict and Francis: hosting immoral performance and circus shows in the Vatican hall
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    Yes, it is not just Francis' fault if there is a decline of the Faith in the whole world. The catastrophic situation in which the Church finds herself is the result of years and years of attacks directed against the doctrine, the liturgy and, in general, everything that represents the Kingdom of Christ in society. 

    For the sake of the argument, if we admit the hypothesis that Benedict resigned under the pressure of a mafia, this mafia could not have had power unless if had been bolstered by the previous conciliar Popes and by Benedict himself. Should we also blame Francis for this? 

    At any rate, it does not seem a very honest or courageous position for a Pope who resigns and abandons the flock when the wolf is inside it. 

    It is enough here to remember the following words of Christ: 

    "But the hireling, and he that is not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and flieth: and the wolf catcheth, and scattereth the sheep: And the hireling flieth, because he is a hireling: and he hath no care for the sheep." (Jn 10: 12) 

    In short, for decades our Pontiffs, wander around as if they were drunk. Their dependence on the absinthe of Progressivism and Modernism continually increase. They roam in the dark night of Humanism. Perhaps the Bavarian has better hidden his intention than the Argentinian, but at the end of the day, both walk hand in hand, singing the same tango and staggering in the same direction. 

    It is up to us to not lose sight of what the Prince of the Apostles said: "Sobrii estote et vigilate: qui adversarius vester diabolus, tamquam leo rugiens, circuit quærens quem devoret: qui resistite fortes in fide." Be sober, be watchful! For your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, goes about seeking someone to devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith. (I Pet 5: 8-9) 


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  • Quote from: Fr. David Belland
    TIA is radically opposed to Benedict, basically because they consider him a modernist.  Unfortunately, they have a bad case of AA Fever.  It is hard to blame them, however, because Dr. Guimaraes has been immersed in the errors of VCII--writing books, and very good ones, in order to expose them--and cannot conceive of a conversion for any of them--it is a sad state of affairs.  Furthermore, most people just cannot understand the operation of the demonic in the Vatican, in the Church or in the world.

    I don't know Fr. Paul Norton nor his background, the author of the article on TIA, but apparently a friend of Dr. Guimaraes and closely involved with Our Lady Help of Christians traditional Church in Garden Grove, CA, if he doesn't live there.  However, he shows a great lack of knowledge about Benedict's renunciation and what he does know is superficial.  I really doubt if he really sat down to study the matter; he most likely just read a few documents and listened to what others were saying, including TIA, and took the ball from there.

    *******

    Fr. David R. Belland - April 9, 2017


    The new psychology so prominent today seems to have been unwittingly absorbed by society today, even by traditional Catholics. The idea of conversion appears to be totally abandoned. the avant-garde AA has been one of the culprits convincing the poor alcoholics that they have a "sickness" that can't be cured and by means of transferring dependency on the bottle to dependency on the group actually keeps them "sick". But practically for all modern psychology there is no sin (indeed no such thing as a soul even), only sickness, and that as long as sin (of which a large portion of all the psychosis and neurosis being but the symptoms) is not treated properly, that field is perpetuating the "sickness" and the "patient" rather the penitent keeps coming back to increase the psychologist's or psychiatrist's bank account--the poor patient comes to believe he can't be cured.

    And so goes society. Hence, Benedict, because he was a liberal can't be cured; he's always going to be a liberal. But anyone who has a conscience, while not involved with the B'ni B'rith (Cardinal Bea among others), Masons, Communism or some other secret society, cult, Lobby or Mafia, and is exposed to the 3rd Secret of Fatima IS going to be converted. Fr. Malachi Martin and Cardinal Luciani (the future Pope John Paul I) are just two examples of those who were directly acquainted with the 3rd Secret and converted; perhaps even John Paul II to a certain extent, for example, in his effort to consecrate Russia.

    I challenge anyone, therefore, to prove that his knowledge of the 3rd Secret of Fatima did not change Benedict. He freed up the Old Mass; had the humility to admit that it had never been forbidden; lifted the excommunications of the SSPX; changed the vernacular editions of the Consecration of the Chalice to the proper wording ("for you and for many") and many other things he would not have done back in the '60's and '70's; he went against the Party Line of Sodano and Bertone concerning the Fatima Message. Furthermore, no one can make the claim that they know more about what is going on in the Church than Benedict--indeed he has more first hand knowledge in his little finger than everyone in the streets or on the internet! I exaggerate a bit, of course, but he does know what is going on. And going around publicly proclaiming the past liberalism of Joseph Ratzinger is still present today, even by insinuation if not by direct accusation, is tantamount to calumny, if one cannot prove what he says--a most serious sin and a grave injustice, especially when one takes into consideration the honor due to Benedict.

    And only when one knows all the facts, all the circumstances and details of a situation can one make a proper decision concerning that situation. Let's face it, the work of the Devil HAS infiltrated the Church (Our Lady at Akita) and unless one understands how Satan works, and I mean has an in depth understanding of his tactics, he will never know how to handle the situation. And I can tell you that one man, even if he is Pope, will not be able to "clean up" the Church as it is today; it will have to be by a Divine intervention, such that there is a division within the Church so that the faithful Cardinals and Bishops can make the Consecration of Russia according to Our Lady's wishes--it's the only way. And under Francis, since it looks as if there is not going to be an effort to disinherit him, with all the Cardinals he's appointed it will be his modernist cohorts that will win any Papal election; the Consecration will NEVER be made under those circumstances! Let's face the FACTS.

    I think it is time we start divesting ourselves of the cultural psychological brainwashing we've been subjected to for the last 60 years.

    In the meantime we must be faithful to the Holy Rosary and Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the last two remedies for us, as Sr. Lucia told Fr. Fuentes.
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson


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    Father David Belland has his own very compelling view of the BXVI situation. If anyone would like to learn more email him at frdbelland@netscape.net. 


    https://twitter.com/ProcessionsUSA/status/1097814373802917888
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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    #PPBXVI
    Pope Benedict, you worded your resignation in such a way as to render it invalid. I believe you did this to protect the Church’s indefectibility and to thwart the St Gallen mafia’s plan to validly elect an apostate to the papacy.

    https://twitter.com/ProcessionsUSA/status/1097861715918811141




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    That’s where BXVI’s  skilled use of Latin comes in, which is analyzed brilliantly by Father David Belland. I will try to upload his analysis on twitter soon but it is longer than the space of a tweet ...so in the meantime he can be contacted at frdbelland@netscape.net.

    https://twitter.com/ProcessionsUSA/status/1097873544518778885



    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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  • Please post what Fr Belland has to say. 


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  • Quote from: Fr. Paul Alvarez Norton - TIA
    Furthermore, in a letter addressed to the Secretariat of the Prefect for Communication, Msgr. Dário Edoardo Viganò, which he writes on the occasion of the presentation of the Collection, The Theology of Pope Francis, Benedict XVI says that there is an "internal continuity" between his pontificate and that of Francis.

    This was that whole embarrassing "Lettergate" scandal that actually got Msgr. Dário Edoardo Viganò fired. Yet no mention of it at all in Fr. Norton's TIA article.


    Quote from: Edward Pentin
    Quoting an anonymous Vatican spokesman, the Associated Press reported Wednesday that the Vatican admitted to having “altered a photo sent to the media of a letter from retired Pope Benedict XVI about Pope Francis.” The AP added that the “manipulation changed the meaning of the image in a way that violated photojournalist industry standards.”

    The report said that the Vatican admitted to blurring “the two final lines of the first page” where Benedict explains that he “didn't actually read the books in question” and “cannot contribute a theological assessment of Francis” as he had other commitments.

    The AP added: “The Vatican didn't explain why it blurred the lines other than to say it never intended for the full letter to be released. In fact, the entire second page of the letter is covered in the photo by a stack of books, with just Benedict's tiny signature showing, to prove its authenticity.”

    AP’s report continued that the missing content “significantly altered the meaning of the quotes the Vatican chose to highlight, which were widely picked up by the media.” The suggestion given was that Benedict “had read the volume, agreed with it and given it his full endorsement and assessment,” it said.

    The news agency said the doctoring was “significant” because news media “rely on Vatican photographers for images of the Pope at events that are closed to independent media.”
    The AP made the point that as with most independent news media, it follows “strict standards that forbid digital manipulation of photos” and that “no element should be digitally added to or subtracted from any photograph.”

    This episode is particularly embarrassing for the Vatican, coming barely a month since it issued Pope Francis’ message for this year’s World of Social Communications in which the Holy Father called for a “journalism of peace” in an era of “fake news.”
    http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/full-text-of-benedict-xvis-letter-to-mons.-vigano
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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  • Please post what Fr Belland has to say.

    I posted the tweets that show Fr. Belland's email address for those who are interested in his Thesis.

    I received it over a year ago. Just ask him for it.

    (And no, GottaGoBergoglio is not my Twitter acct.)
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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  • Veri Catholici‏ 
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    The trad media, as well as all the trad priestly societies, have shown themselves very willing to be duped on the matter of Canon 332 and eager supporters of Bergoglio's claim to the papacy, despite all his public heresies, blasphemies and crimes. These make a joke of Tradition.
    https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1099924353679015936


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    #PPBXVI Our recent poll found that 99% of all those who read the canonical evidence that Pope Benedict's resignation was INVALID are convinced that it was invalid. That argues strongly that all Voices who hold that it is valid, are intentionally lying and/or refuse the evidence.
    https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1099689355742978049


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    #PPBXVI Its clear now by 4 polls that the CARDINALS are in SCHISM with the vast majority of the Lay Faithful. For while they unanimously accept B16's resignation as valid, the Laity hold that NO, #Benedictxvi is the true pope by 60 to 95%
    https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1099416233097814018
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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  • https://fromrome.wordpress.com/2019/02/25/no-excuse-before-god-or-the-church/


    No excuse before God or the Church!

    by The Editor
    by Br. Alexis Bugnolo
    His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI, the true and only Pope of the Catholic Church, still.

    The most disappointing reality in the Catholic Church today is not sexual perversion, however gross that is. Because while acts of sexual perversion are morally wrong, if a man retains the truth of the Faith, there is still a possibility of his repentance.

    So, the greatest tragedy is, then, the loss of the Faith, the loss of truth.  When a mind comes to love lies, to love to lie, to live in mendacity and to defend and promote mendacity, the soul of the man has descended to infernal regions.

    Such a soul has nothing of itself or in itself to dispose it to repent, for it has turned its back on truth.

    This is why in the Controversy over Benedict’s resignation, those who say he validly resigned, have no excuse before God or the Church.

    Because, as the Vicar of Jesus Christ, John Paul II decrees in Canon 332 §2, the validity of a papal resignation arises from only objective causes, it does not depend on you or me saying its valid or not.

    Indeed, as that canon declares in its final clause, NO ONE IN THE CHURCH has the right or authority to say that a resignation which is not in conformity with that Canon is valid.

    Canon 332 §2 — If it happens that the Roman Pontiff renounce his MUNUS, there is required for validity only that he do so freely without unjust force and manifest it duly, but not that it be accepted or not by anyone at all.
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    Thus THE SOLE CRITERION for judging the validity of a papal resignation is in the objective facts of the act of resignation:

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    That means that NO ONE has the right to speculate WHETHER OR NOT a resignation is valid or not: it is only valid if it meets all THREE conditions simultaneously. It is NOT VALID, otherwise, that is if it fails to meet any one of those conditions.

    Thus, every Cardinal, Bishop, priest, or talking head on Social Media, every journalist, layman, laywoman or consecrated religious, ARE BOUND BY THE CATHOLIC FAITH to judge the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI INVALID, BECAUSE


    in fact, on Feb. 11, 2013, he said explicitly, I renounce the ministry which I received….

    That makes his act of resignation NULL AND VOID, because its not in conformity with the obligation to renounce the papal MUNUS.

    Thus, all the arguments in favor of the validity, all the rationalizations, all the speculations about intention to resign the office, ARE POINTLESS.  Those making such intellectual or verbal acts HAVE NO RIGHT TO SPEAK, NO AUTHORITY TO JUDGE THE MATTER.

    I therefore plead with all Catholics: do not go the way of Lucifer who rebelled in the beginning of time, because he wanted his own will, not that of God. Do not go the way of Adam and Eve who would not listen to God and would not mortify their minds and heart, but chose to rebel and tell God what was right and wrong.  Do not follow the faithless Jews, who having seen all the miracles of Jesus and His immaculate Holiness and integrity, chose to reject Him for the sake of doing their own will and following the elites of their own day.

    I put you on notice. Reject the plain meaning of Canon 332 §2 and try to obviate it by speculations and excuses, and you will be damned, God will deprive you of the Light and every grace.

    Because in doing such, YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE BEFORE GOD OR THE CHURCH.
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

     

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