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  • The Judge is spot on! He's also a trad too!

    Judge Napolitano: Pope Francis should be saving souls, not pocketbooks

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    (The following is a column by Fox News Sr. Judicial Analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano, which was reprinted with permission and originally appeared on the Washington Times here.)

    What is the worst problem in the world today? Might it be war, starvation, genocide, sectarian violence, murder, slaughter of babies in the womb? Any of these would be a rational answer. When Pope Francis was asked this question recently, he replied, “Youth unemployment.”

    To be sure, youth unemployment is a serious problem. In some parts of the United States, the richest country in the world, it has reached 25 percent. These are people who are no longer in school full time and are not yet 30 years of age. It is a problem for them and their families, for their communities and for the welfare states that are supporting them. Is it the worst problem in the world, though? Is it a problem for the Roman Catholic Church? Is it something the pope is competent to comment upon or to resolve?

    The pope’s youth-unemployment comments recently were removed from the Vatican’s website. No sooner had that been done than the Holy Father issued his first encyclical — a formal papal teaching, as opposed to his now-famous, impromptu back-of-the-plane yet on-the-record comments.

    His encyclical is about economics, and it reveals a disturbing ignorance. I say this with deference and respect. I also say this as a traditionalist Roman Catholic who laments the post-Vatican II watering down of sacred traditions, lessening of moral teaching and trivialization of liturgical practices. I also say this, though, as a firm believer that Pope Francis is the Vicar of Christ on Earth and, as such, personifies the teaching authority of the church. He is morally and juridically capable of speaking ex cathedra — that is, infallibly — but only after surveying and distilling traditional Church teachings and only on matters affecting faith and morals.

    Thank God, so to speak, that his teaching authority is limited to faith and morals, because in matters of economics, he is wide of the mark.

    His encyclical, titled “Joy of the Gospel,” attacks free-market capitalism because it takes too long for the poor to get rich. “They are still waiting,” the pope wrote. Without capitalism, which rewards hard work and sacrifice, they will wait forever. No economic system in history has alleviated more poverty, generated more opportunity and helped more formerly poor people become rich than capitalism. The essence of capitalism goes to the core of Catholic teaching: the personal freedom of every person. Capitalism is freedom to risk, freedom to work, freedom to save, freedom to retain the fruits of one’s labors, freedom to own property and freedom to give to charity.

    The problem with modern capitalism — a problem that escaped the scrutiny of His Holiness — is not too much freedom, but too little. The regulation of free markets by governments, the control of the private means of production by government bureaucrats, and the unholy alliances between governments, banks and industry have raised production costs, stifled competition, established barriers to entry into markets, raised taxes, devalued savings and priced many poor out of the labor force. The pope would do well to pray for those who have used government to steal freedom so as to satisfy their lust for power, and for those who have bowed to government so as to become rich from governmental benefits and not by the fruits of their own labors.

    Traditional Catholic social teaching imposes on all of us a moral obligation to become our brothers’ keepers. But this is a personal moral obligation, enforced by conscience and church teaching and the fires of hell — not by the coercive powers of the government. Charity comes from the heart. It consists of freely giving away one’s wealth. It is impossible to be charitable with someone else’s money. That’s theft, not charity.

    If you give until it hurts, freely and out of love, and seek nothing temporal in return, you have built up treasure in Heaven. However, if the government takes from you and redistributes your wealth to those whom the government has decided to benefit — rich and poor alike — what merit is there in that for you? If you give a poor person a fish to eat, in a day, he’ll be hungry. If you show him how to catch fish and teach him how to acquire the tools needed to do so, he can become self-sufficient and perhaps one day rich enough to help others. If the government takes money from you to buy the person a fish, half of the money will be wasted.

    The pope seems to prefer common ownership of the means of production, which is Marxist, or private ownership and government control, which is fascist, or government ownership and government control, which is socialist. All of those failed systems lead to ashes, not wealth. Pope Francis must know this. He must also know that when Europe was in turmoil in 1931, his predecessor Pius XI wrote in one of his encyclicals: “[N]o one can be at the same time a sincere Catholic and a true Socialist.”



    Offline ClarkSmith

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    Judge Napolitano: Pope Francis should be saving souls, not pocketbooks
    « Reply #1 on: December 06, 2013, 02:52:05 PM »
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  • Libertarians can't be good Catholics either so...



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    Judge Napolitano: Pope Francis should be saving souls, not pocketbooks
    « Reply #2 on: December 06, 2013, 02:54:16 PM »
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  • Sounds like Napolitano has Traditional Catholic leanings.  That I didn't know.

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    Judge Napolitano: Pope Francis should be saving souls, not pocketbooks
    « Reply #3 on: December 06, 2013, 08:51:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: ClarkSmith
    Libertarians can't be good Catholics either so...

    Here's a good rebuttal from a fellow trad Catholic.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jzBvex-AxJ8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjzBvex-AxJ8

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    Judge Napolitano: Pope Francis should be saving souls, not pocketbooks
    « Reply #4 on: December 06, 2013, 10:22:06 PM »
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  • His encyclical is about economics, and it reveals a disturbing ignorance. I say this with deference and respect. I also say this as a traditionalist Roman Catholic who laments the post-Vatican II watering down of sacred traditions, lessening of moral teaching and trivialization of liturgical practices. I also say this, though, as a firm believer that Pope Francis is the Vicar of Christ on Earth and, as such, personifies the teaching authority of the church. He is morally and juridically capable of speaking ex cathedra — that is, infallibly — but only after surveying and distilling traditional Church teachings and only on matters affecting faith and morals.

    If I remember correctly his exhortation is about the Gospel and the responsability of everybody to proclaim its truth not economics.


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    Judge Napolitano: Pope Francis should be saving souls, not pocketbooks
    « Reply #5 on: December 06, 2013, 10:28:58 PM »
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  • His encyclical, titled “Joy of the Gospel,” attacks free-market capitalism because it takes too long for the poor to get rich. “They are still waiting,” the pope wrote. Without capitalism, which rewards hard work and sacrifice, they will wait forever. No economic system in history has alleviated more poverty, generated more opportunity and helped more formerly poor people become rich than capitalism. The essence of capitalism goes to the core of Catholic teaching: the personal freedom of every person. Capitalism is freedom to risk, freedom to work, freedom to save, freedom to retain the fruits of one’s labors, freedom to own property and freedom to give to charity.

    His exhortation attacks the attitude of self absorbed who only think of themselves and their personal comforts. If this applies to Judge Napolitano I would like to suggest that he take some time to familiarize himself with those gospels. It might do him some good.

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    Judge Napolitano: Pope Francis should be saving souls, not pocketbooks
    « Reply #6 on: December 06, 2013, 10:32:13 PM »
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  • The problem with modern capitalism — a problem that escaped the scrutiny of His Holiness — is not too much freedom, but too little. The regulation of free markets by governments, the control of the private means of production by government bureaucrats, and the unholy alliances between governments, banks and industry have raised production costs, stifled competition, established barriers to entry into markets, raised taxes, devalued savings and priced many poor out of the labor force. The pope would do well to pray for those who have used government to steal freedom so as to satisfy their lust for power, and for those who have bowed to government so as to become rich from governmental benefits and not by the fruits of their own labors.

    That is what the Pope has been talking about. Those who abuse the government for their own benefit to the detriment of all others, particularly the poor.    

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    Judge Napolitano: Pope Francis should be saving souls, not pocketbooks
    « Reply #7 on: December 06, 2013, 10:38:25 PM »
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  • Traditional Catholic social teaching imposes on all of us a moral obligation to become our brothers’ keepers. But this is a personal moral obligation, enforced by conscience and church teaching and the fires of hell — not by the coercive powers of the government. Charity comes from the heart. It consists of freely giving away one’s wealth. It is impossible to be charitable with someone else’s money. That’s theft, not charity.

    If you wish to address the traditional Catholic social teaching regarding economics I would suggest you start with Rerum Novarum.

     http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum_en.html


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    Judge Napolitano: Pope Francis should be saving souls, not pocketbooks
    « Reply #8 on: December 06, 2013, 10:52:12 PM »
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  • Traditional Catholic social teaching imposes on all of us a moral obligation to become our brothers’ keepers. But this is a personal moral obligation, enforced by conscience and church teaching and the fires of hell — not by the coercive powers of the government. Charity comes from the heart. It consists of freely giving away one’s wealth. It is impossible to be charitable with someone else’s money. That’s theft, not charity.

    That is how I feel every time I prepare my taxes.

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    Judge Napolitano: Pope Francis should be saving souls, not pocketbooks
    « Reply #9 on: December 06, 2013, 10:55:00 PM »
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  • If you give until it hurts, freely and out of love, and seek nothing temporal in return, you have built up treasure in Heaven. However, if the government takes from you and redistributes your wealth to those whom the government has decided to benefit — rich and poor alike — what merit is there in that for you? If you give a poor person a fish to eat, in a day, he’ll be hungry. If you show him how to catch fish and teach him how to acquire the tools needed to do so, he can become self-sufficient and perhaps one day rich enough to help others. If the government takes money from you to buy the person a fish, half of the money will be wasted.

    If you get fat while the people around you starve and the government watches and does nothing that is obscene.

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    Judge Napolitano: Pope Francis should be saving souls, not pocketbooks
    « Reply #10 on: December 06, 2013, 10:58:53 PM »
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  • The pope seems to prefer common ownership of the means of production, which is Marxist, or private ownership and government control, which is fascist, or government ownership and government control, which is socialist. All of those failed systems lead to ashes, not wealth. Pope Francis must know this. He must also know that when Europe was in turmoil in 1931, his predecessor Pius XI wrote in one of his encyclicals: “[N]o one can be at the same time a sincere Catholic and a true Socialist.”


    No the pope prefers responsible ownership of the means of production which means that the legitimate rights of all the parties concerned are respected.


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    Judge Napolitano: Pope Francis should be saving souls, not pocketbooks
    « Reply #11 on: December 06, 2013, 10:59:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: Tyler
    Here's a good rebuttal from a fellow trad Catholic.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jzBvex-AxJ8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjzBvex-AxJ8


    Look it's really not that dufficult to grasp. Libertarianism is based on the same liberalism that came out of the French Revolution, the primary anti-Catholic revolution in the West which argues for individualism, putting the self-interest of the individual over what is good for the community, putting the market above the people, a belief in business interests, love of money over love of nation and race, a liberal view when it comes to socail issues and religion in society, etc.

    So yes libertarians cannot be good Catholics as they are opposed to any Catholic doctrine on economics or morality.

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    Judge Napolitano: Pope Francis should be saving souls, not pocketbooks
    « Reply #12 on: December 06, 2013, 11:10:49 PM »
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  • Hey peter-the-rock why don't you get out of your libertarian stupor and admit that no government in the history of mankind has ever been built on free markets, free trade, open borders, and democracy. NONE.

    However successful socities have been built on religious persecution, authoritarianism, repression, mercantilism, nationalism, interference in private business, etc.

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    « Reply #13 on: December 06, 2013, 11:14:09 PM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    If you get fat while the people around you starve and the government watches and does nothing that is obscene.


    Who is "starving" really in a country like ours today? Many of our poor get free X-Boxes and TV sets from the wlefare checks we get in. And again my social Darwinist views give me experience to know that some are left behind because they have talent and ability while others do not. For instance, heredity determines intelligence. Also the welfare state has been given out to black Americans for over 40 years and yet they have been unable to raise up at all, something Barack would not dare mention of course.

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    « Reply #14 on: December 07, 2013, 12:13:52 AM »
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  • Anti- pope :fryingpan:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'