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JPIIs "Mark of Shiva" Simply a Cultural Greeting?
« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2011, 10:22:06 AM »
I tell you one thing. I definitely know how to get you guys fired up now and giving counter arguments to the Neo-Caths (which is a good thing).

Previously I've posted quotes from Neo-Cath friends and heard crickets chirp waiting for responses. It seems I simply have to present the Neo-Cath arguments myself as devil's advocate and throw some right hooks and the good stuff starts flowing. ;)

You guys raise a good point. He invited them there to pray for peace knowing some of them would pray to false gods. However, Neo-Caths would still argue the Jews (did they attend?) and the Muslims still worship the God of Abraham.

I can foresee Neo-Cath responses along these lines:

1.) These types are praying to God as they understand Him. There is only one God and thus in reality they are praying to Him though they misunderstand the nature of God and thus do not recognize Him as we do. Therefore they are sincere in their attempt to pray to God as best as they can see Him. Thus some reduced culpability must be taken for their subjective state of ignorance and/or error.

2.) JPII preached Jesus Christ at the gathering. He did not force  the non-Christians to pray to Jesus, but then again the Church has never taught one should force belief or worship. Instead he tolerated their objectively deficient understanding of the true God in order to bring them together to pray for a common goal, expose them to Catholicism, and work together for good human ends we have in common.

JPIIs "Mark of Shiva" Simply a Cultural Greeting?
« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2011, 10:26:23 AM »
JP II believed in the "implicit faith" that we are discussing one thread down (or up) from this one!


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JPIIs "Mark of Shiva" Simply a Cultural Greeting?
« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2011, 10:30:07 AM »
Quote from: stevusmagnus
I tell you one thing. I definitely know how to get you guys fired up now and giving counter arguments to the Neo-Caths (which is a good thing).

Previously I've posted quotes from Neo-Cath friends and heard crickets chirp waiting for responses. It seems I simply have to present the Neo-Cath arguments myself as devil's advocate and throw some right hooks and the good stuff starts flowing. ;)

You guys raise a good point. He invited them there to pray for peace knowing some of them would pray to false gods. However, Neo-Caths would still argue the Jews (did they attend?) and the Muslims still worship the God of Abraham.

I can foresee Neo-Cath responses along these lines:

1.) These types are praying to God as they understand Him. There is only one God and thus in reality they are praying to Him though they misunderstand the nature of God and thus do not recognize Him as we do. Therefore they are sincere in their attempt to pray to God as best as they can see Him. Thus some reduced culpability must be taken for their subjective state of ignorance and/or error.

2.) JPII preached Jesus Christ at the gathering. He did not force  the non-Christians to pray to Jesus, but then again the Church has never taught one should force belief or worship. Instead he tolerated their objectively deficient understanding of the true God in order to bring them together to pray for a common goal, expose them to Catholicism, and work together for good human ends we have in common.


Once equal time is given to prayer to false gods, "misunderstood" gods, etc. etc. , JPII's preaching of Jesus Christ becomes just an opinion among others.

JPIIs "Mark of Shiva" Simply a Cultural Greeting?
« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2011, 10:39:06 AM »
Quote from: LM
Once equal time is given to prayer to false gods, "misunderstood" gods, etc. etc. , JPII's preaching of Jesus Christ becomes just an opinion among others.


If all these other religions believe in,

(1)  The existence of a single God
(2)  That God will reward the just and punish the wicked

and, implicitly, believe in:

(3) The triune nature of God
(4) The Incarnation of God the Son for man's salvation.

Then, what's the (your) problem?

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JPIIs "Mark of Shiva" Simply a Cultural Greeting?
« Reply #54 on: March 04, 2011, 10:43:20 AM »
VooDoo priests are NOT merely "confused" about God -- they are worshiping the devil.

Is there any excuse for men who worship the GREAT THUMB????